When I saw this post, I went to the Zhuang encyclopedia and looked at it. Now, I know no Zhuang, but just off the top of my head what I saw looked to me like a language that stands to Vietnamese in a relation similar to that of Estonian to Finnish. I looked at two or three of the articles that appear to be in what is passing as Zhuang (I can definitely state that they are not in Afrikaans or Tagalog, and I too strongly doubt that they are Buginese or Kapampangan, in fact a language identifier that suggests these is probably not worth using) and I checked out their histories, and I see no striking evidence that the pre-Jienji-VANG versions were in a language different from the Jienji-VANG editions. There do appear to be two languages (or at least two widely divergent dialects with quite different orthographies) going here, though. "Quaangcí / Gvangjsih" to exemplify the contrast. Are you saying the former (much of which seems to predate JV's arrival) is not za: and the latter is? The latter language or variety seems not to use any diacritics, but apparently marks tone through h's and r's (but the former variety seems to have some of that, too, in spite of it's almost vn:-like abundance of accent marks). See the comments by NGUYỄN Xuân Minh at the bottom of my eo: talk page: http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediista_diskuto:Haruo and his rather persuasive multilingual substitution cypher hypothesis. I must figure out now how to create an index in my user page where people can add their own entries and I can jump down to them. Seems like quite an elaborate hoax. Haruo -- Meet the Whole World Halfway — Learn and Use Esperanto! www.lernu.net My Website : http://www.scn.org/~lilandbr/ _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l