At 04:44 23/09/02 -0500, Tesla Coil wrote:
In no case is it [[Edward Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby]]
and
[[Edward Stanley, 15th Earl of Derby]]. "English-speakers do
not put family names as part of the title."
...which is quite clearly untrue, at least when referring
in formal terms to historical figures. The Dictionary of
National Biography, for example, lists peers by their family
name, as in: CAVENDISH, Spencer Compton, Marquis of Hartington
and 8th Duke of Devonshire.
There is an alternative proposal which may be more to Tesla
Coil's liking at [[Wikipedia:History standards]], which is
to use the full name, ordinal and title. I don't think this
should take precedence over to "common names" rule in cases
like [[Duke of Wellington]] or [[Bertrand Russell]], and it
does tend to make entry titles rather long, but it is the
best way to clearly identify a specific titled individual.
Thus we would have [[Spencer Cavendish, 8th Duke of
Devonshire]] for the chap named above, no matter what it
says in [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)]].
This seems the best way forward to me (for UK peerages, at
least), but while I'm willing to be bold in updating pages,
I don't want to be too bold in updating conventions. I've
only been in this thing for four days, after all.
Rob