Problem? Look at the recent changes on mo.wiki. You and your band of thugs have not been caring about that place since you left a week or two ago. You just noticed it's still there, oh, let's go complain. The fact is, none of you actually visits there very often.

On 3/18/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hoi, Please read what you write; '''people''' who still use it.. Of all the lame arguments that I have heard this is a great one. May I remind you of what the Wikimedia Foundation stands for? Information to all people in their language... Therefore if you want an argument to keep this project you just provided it. Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

If you mean the Cyrillic script is a relic of the Cold War, that's not exactly accurate, Latin was made official in 1989, and a period of transition and confusion took place until about 1993~1995, by which time nearly all citizens knew Latin, whether they liked it or not. This isn't nessecarily the case in Transnistria, where, as Gerard noted, "people use it". Mark

Hoi, The arguments that you use to deny people who use the cyrillic script is political. By continuing this line of arguments you make your POV case worse. What does it matter that Transnistria can be seen as a relic of the cold war, what does Transnistria matter that its government glorifies USSR and communism. Wikipedia is for people. The continued insistance of this blatantly political POV makes me consider that you the people in Transnistria are discrimated against. They are denied their place under the sun. A place under the sun that does not cost us much .. hard disks are cheap. With this continued agressive insistence of the deletion of this Wikipedia, I am more and more coming to the conclusion that it is wrong for the Wikimedia Foundation to close down this project. The reason: the arguments used are plain discrimation. It is discrimination because of ideological and political reasons. Thanks, GerardM On 3/18/06, Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) <rowikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

GerardM wrote: Its very existence is a POV fork - it's a language which nobody offically recognises as being distinct from Romanian (I say lift, you say elevator), for a country which nobody offically recognises as existing. If the Foundation says yes, a country which doesn't exist is allowed to have projects in a language which doesn't exist, they are promoting the POV that the country and it's language exist and should be recognised. /That/ is not a goal of the Foundation. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

Ok, so how is it different to Romanian? According to [1] Moldovan "is essentially the same as Romanian". Let's call a spade a spade, mmkay?

Sure, but as Bogdan Giusca wrote: So, they are obviously not doing it by choice, and none of them were contributing anyway.

No. NPOV says that we have to include all *majority* viewpoints, not *all* viewpoints. Including all viewpoints is /balanced/, but inclusion of a POV which is not in the majority (recogninsing the unrecognised language of an unrecognised nation) is itself POV. If the UN recognises Trasnistria overnight, and they declare that their offical language is Moldovan written in Cyrillic script, and Transnistrians start to ask for a Wikipedia in Moldovan-Cyrillic, they can have it. But not before.

By the way, similarly to how Romanians like to equate Arizona with me, and thus anybody from Arizona must be me, perhaps we should do the same with Moldova? After all, Moldova's population is smaller by quite a bit, and internet access is less widespread in Moldova.

2006/3/19, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>om>: I think this links in to what I believe is the source of a lot of the confusion related to Moldova(n) - the fact that the relationship between Moldova and Romania is unique in the world, and there is no comparable case. The Bosnia-Serbia case is different - Bosniaks are undoubtedly a separate nation from Serbs, whereas Moldovans are still engaging in the process of nation-building (or maybe moving away from it... the problem is that even in the current confusion over nationality, the country is being pulled both ways, one way towards a Romanian national identity, the other way towards a separate Moldovan identity). So, this is why a lot of Romanians feel they have authority to write about Moldovan subjects, because they consider Moldovans to be the same nation as them. Mark, of course, believes, from what I know, that there really is no Romanian nationality, that the present "Romanian" ethnicity is really Wallachian, and that Moldovans are hence different to Wallachians/Romanians, and hence any form of Romanian intervention into Moldovan affairs is (Wallachian) irredentism (consider, however, that current Wallachia is just one of three regions of modern Romania, and is neither the most prosperous nor the most significantly over-represented region in Romanian culture and politics). I think a similar situation to Moldova is that of Kosovo. That is, Kosovo is to Albania as Moldova is to Romania, in many ways. Many people in Kosovo would consider themselves Kosovars about 15 years after independence (or maybe even now). Also, Just imagine for a second that during Yugoslav times, the Kosovars had been taught that their language was called "Kosovar" and made to write it using Cyrillic letters. That's sort of the situation we have in Moldova now. Ronline _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l