Yes - simply say "Macedonians" and have a section saying "there are those
who debate the exact naming of Macedonians - be they Macedonian Slavs,
Macedonian Greeks,..."
Something like that.
James
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Why not [[Macedonians]]?
That page can discuss the whole issue, and link to [[Macedonians
(FYROM)]], [[Macedonians (Greece)]], and perhaps [[Macedonians
(ancient)]].
Mark
On 30/08/05, Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org> wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
"Nation" is often an ambiguous term.
The tendency in English is to
equate it with a particular state or country, but it can sometimes
represent other groups that see themselves as distinct cultural
entities without political independence.
Yes, I agree with that; in this case, *both* meanings are actually
used---Even if we take the context to specifically be "Republic of
Macedonia" and keep the Greeks out of the picture for the moment,
"Macedonian" may mean either *any* citizen of the Republic of Macedonia,
or a specific ethnic group within that country (primarily excluding the
ethnic-Albanian RoM citizens). For example, "Macedonian Foreign
Minister [x]" refers to whoever the foreign minister of the country is,
regardless of his or her ethnicity.
The problem with [[Macedonian (ethnicity)]] though, is that northern
Greeks /also/ consider themselves to be ethnically Macedonian, which
they consider one of the Greek ethnic groups (much like "Pontian",
"Cypriot" [although Turkish Cypriots claim this one too], or
"Cretan").
Which is of course the whole crux of the RoM vs. FYROM international
dispute.
So, if [[Macedonian Slavs]] is offensive, [[Macedonian (nationality)]]
is ambiguous, and [[Macedonian (ethnicity)]] is both ambiguous and POV,
then what /do/ we use?
-Mark
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