On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Niklas Laxström
<niklas.laxstrom(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/07/2008, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We try to use very few with our system on Meta-Wiki.
>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language>
>
> It is still using one per language, which means hundreds of them. Now,
> which is easier: copying hundreds of templates periodically, or
> installing an extension that can be updated the normal way. Especially
> for wikies outside of WMF which do not use many bots, if any.
You still aren't understanding me... I'm *love* the idea of an
extension to do this, I would rather we install it/one with the best
features first (especially if it's Wikimedia-wide).
>
>>
>> One of my main problems with the babel extension is that I don't think
>> it gets rid of the *huge* number of categories that need to be created
>> (otherwise you have ugly redlinks).
>
> There is already a switch to have less categories, requested by me for
> example. What comes to creating the category pages... this is the
> first time I see anyone bringing it up.
$wgBabelUseMainCategories
A boolean (true or false) indicating whether main categories
featuring all users who specify a level for that language should be
added to a xx category; defaults to true.
How are they added to the category? Ordered by ability, then
alphabetically... or just alphabetically?
>
>> The system on Meta-Wiki greatly
>> reduces the number of categories, but I've been told that the
>> extension's developer was completely against any changes to the
>> extension (I didn't hear it directly from him).
>
> It looks like you are spreading FUD about the extension AND the
> developer without checkking the facts first. I would be offended if I
> were the developer in question.
>
> --
> Niklas Laxström
>
Please check *your* fact first. :-) I am *for* the extension, I just
wish it were tweaked to be more efficient. I'm surprised no one is
yelling "enwiki-centric" because the levels were in-fact based off of
enwiki... Furthermore, I put the information in parenthesis *so* he
wouldn't be offended, I have no reason to believe that what I told was
incorrect considering I heard it from a pretty reputable source.
--
Casey Brown
Cbrown1023
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Hoi.
The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just
to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
projects. Several Wikis have templates to support additional languages. For
the bigger projects this is no longer an issue as the templates have already
been created, but for many of the smaller projects getting the Babel
information implemented is a lot of work. It would be great if the time
could be saved to do something that is really useful like writing articles.
At Betawiki we have been working hard to create a Babel extension. The great
news of an extension is, that there is no need to do anything but implement
the extension. We currently think that the software is at a state where we
would like to invite the last comments leading to the implementation on all
the WMF wikis.
Thanks,
Gerard
New static HTML dumps of all Wikipedia editions are now available:
http://static.wikipedia.org/
Altogether, the dumps are 650GB uncompressed, 40GB compressed.
I think a reasonable next step for this project would be to write filter
scripts that take a compressed dump, reduce the article count in some way,
and then recompress it, possibly in a different format. For instance, we
could have a "most popular 4GB" of the English Wikipedia, based on page
view statistics, recompressed as an SQLite database.
-- Tim Starling
Hoi,
Like any extension, the Babel extension has its documentation on the
Mediawiki.org website :) The extension is in use on Betawiki itself, yes we
eat our own dogfood :) We are happy with its functionality, it is
configurable..
As to comments or discussion, there is already a page on Meta.. there has
also been a lot of discussion so far has been largely on IRC.
Thanks,
GerardM
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Babelhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Babel_extension
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
>
> thanks for asking for comments. Where can we find the
> proposal/explanation/code and where to put those comments? :)
>
> BR, Lodewijk
>
> 2008/7/1 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>:
> > Hoi.
> > The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
> > Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates
> just
> > to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
> > projects. Several Wikis have templates to support additional languages.
> For
> > the bigger projects this is no longer an issue as the templates have
> already
> > been created, but for many of the smaller projects getting the Babel
> > information implemented is a lot of work. It would be great if the time
> > could be saved to do something that is really useful like writing
> articles.
> >
> > At Betawiki we have been working hard to create a Babel extension. The
> great
> > news of an extension is, that there is no need to do anything but
> implement
> > the extension. We currently think that the software is at a state where
> we
> > would like to invite the last comments leading to the implementation on
> all
> > the WMF wikis.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gerard
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