On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote:
> What are the articles this person has been changing?
For 66.108.155.126:
20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet
20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root
20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
For 208.24.115.6:
20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
For 141.157.232.26:
20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements.
Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker.
For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
and look at the contribs.
--mav
Dear all,
Most of you would be aware of some of the discussions that have occurred
around Wikipedia in the Norwegian languages. Since the last round of
discussions on this list, there has been a lot of internal debate, as
well as what seems to be a fairly widely accepted agreement following
voting.
This e-mail intends to, after a brief recap on Norwegian language and
wikipedia issues, take those interested through the latest development
and will stake out the road ahead. It is also intended to inform the
international community about the current agreement on no.wikipedia, so
as to prevent misunderstandings in the future.
Finally, we will mention an unfortunate reaction to the vote by a small
number of users at the Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål (no:) wikipedia who want
to disregard the result of the voting and are planning to create a
_third_ Norwegian wikipedia with the sole mission of mixing the contents
of the two current Norwegian versions.
== A short language history of Norway ==
Spoken Norwegian ("norsk") (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "no") is in a fairly
unique situation compared to most other languages of the world in that
it has two widely accepted written standards, Bokmål (ISO 639-2 alpha-2
code "nb") and Nynorsk (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "nn"). By national
legislation they are both regarded as official written forms of
Norwegian. In addition, many people still make a distinction between
Bokmål and its precursor which still is in use, Riksmål.
Briefly speaking, Bokmål and Riksmål are descendants of the Danish
written language. Until the 1800s, Danish was the only widely used
written language in Norway as a result of four centuries of union with
Denmark. With increasing independence came a wish to norwegianise the
Danish standard, with Knud Knudsen at the forefront for changing parts
of the vocabulary and orthographics. Thus, Riksmål, and later Bokmål,
resulted. These forms together are today probably used by about 90% of
Norway's population, or somewhere around 3,500,000 people.
Parallel to this development, a new written standard was created by Ivar
Aasen. He travelled extensively throughout Norway, and based his new
language, landsmål, on the grammar and vocabulary of dialect samples
from around the country. This was later renamed Nynorsk. Modern Nynorsk
differs significantly from modern Bokmål, and may be linguistically
looked upon as as different (or as similar if you like) as Swedish is to
Danish. For English or Dutch/German speakers, the differences may be
likened to those between (Lowland) Scots and English or Low German and
Dutch. Today it is estimated that about 500,000-600,000 people have
Nynorsk as their first written language.
More information about the Norwegian language history can be found in
English, German, French, Spanish or Portuguese on the website of the
Norwegian Language Council:
http://www.sprakrad.no/templates/Page.aspx?id=653
== A short history of Wikipedia in Norwegian ==
The first Norwegian wikipedia started 26 November 2001 on the subdomain
no.wikipedia.org. As most wikipedias, its contributor and article count
started really picking up around the end of 2003. At the time, it
accepted all written standards of Norwegian, although the amount of
Nynorsk was minimal. There were already several debates about the
feasibilty and appropriateness of keeping the two languages united on
one Wikipedia. On 31 July 2004 a Wikipedia for Nynorsk was created.
The creation of nn:, however, split the community at no: wikipedia. Many
felt that given that Nynorsk now had its own wikipedia, no: should
become a Bokmål/Riksmål Wikipedia only. Others disapproved and claimed
that there was no need to change and that it should continue its
language policy of accepting all and keep its interwiki link name of
"Norsk".
Nynorsk Wikipedia soon proved a success, as it within the next few
months gathered several people who had felt uncomfortable in the
(mainly) Bokmål environment at no:. The name displayed in interwiki
links became "Norsk (nynorsk)" (languages are not spelt with upper case
in Norwegian). To date it continues to be one of the fastest growing
wikipedias, with a steady article increase, now at over 6000 articles
and >50 editors with more than 10 edits since arrival.
== Votes ==
The issue of no:'s language policy has come up time and again, and a
vote was held in March ([[:no:Wikipedia:Målform]]) as to which policy to
adapt. Independent of the method of the tally (whether or not to include
new contributors etc.) there was a majority for switching to a
Bokmål/Riksmål only language policy (50% for Bokmål/Riksmål, 43.2% for
Bokmål/Riksmål/Nynorsk/Høgnorsk, and 6.8% for the official variants
Bokmål/Nynorsk only).
Following this result, there is now going to be a vote on which
interwiki link name will most appropriately reflect the current language
policy of no:. The result of this vote will most likely be either "Norsk
(bokmål)" or "Norsk (bokmål/riksmål)".
Understandably, there has also been a debate as to whether the subdomain
should change from "no" to "nb", as this is the correct representation
of Bokmål according to ISO 639-2. However, there is some resentment
towards such a move and currently a general acceptance in letting the
Bokmål wikipedia stay at "no". The alternative some have suggested is a
server-side redirect from "no" to "nb", in the same way that "nb" today
is a server-side redirect to the equivalent page on "no".
== Summary of the problem ==
Unfortunately, a small group of users (who all write Bokmål/Riksmål) are
ignoring the results from the vote, and are claiming they want to
re-establish a wikipedia for all written standards of Norwegian. They
claim they have been in touch with people centrally in Wikimedia
(developers? stewards?) and that they have so far received positive
comments. With this email, we would like to state the fact that there
have been no official decisions about creating a third Norwegian
wikipedia containing both Bokmål and Nynorsk, it is merely an unofficial
initiative from a small group of users which started a sign-on list at
[[:no:Bruker:Norsk_Wikipedia]]. A spontaneous list with signatures
against this activity was immediately created at
[[:no:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Fellesnorsk]]. The process of creating a third
Norwegian wikipedia has not gone through a voting process in any of the
two existing Norwegian wikipedias (no: and nn:) and can not be
considered as a decision by the Norwegian Wikipedia community.
We believe the creation of a third wikipedia under the Wikimedia
foundation would have a serious and unfortunate impact on the existing
wikipedias in Norwegian, no: and nn:, and would undermine Wikipedia's
reputation in Norway. This being said, we are all for extensive co-
operation between the four Scandinavian language wikipedias (including
Swedish and Danish), as evident by the recent creation of
[[:meta:Skanwiki]], the Scandinavian meta-pages, and the use of featured
articles from neighbour wikipedias.
== Conclusion ==
Hopefully, this letter will help people better understand the
complicated language situation of the Norwegian Wikipedia community, so
as to give a background on which discussion can take place on this list
in the future, such as the inevitable debate following a possible
request for a re-establishment of the common (and third!) Norwegian
Wikipedia.
>From the community of no.wikipedia.org and nn.wikipedia.org,
Bjarte Sørensen [[:meta:User:BjarteSorensen]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on nn:)
Lars Alvik [[:no:User:Profoss]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on no:)
Øyvind A. Holm [[:no:User:Sunny256]] (Administrator on no:)
Onar Vikingstad [[:no:User:Vikingstad]] (Administrator on no:)
Jon Harald Søby [[:no:User:Jhs]] (Administrator on no:)
Chris Nyborg [[:no:User:Cnyborg]] (Administrator on no:)
Guttorm Flatabø [[:no:User:Dittaeva]] (Administrator on nn:)
Gunleiv Hadland [[:meta:User:Gunnernett]] (Administrator on nn:)
Jarle Fagerheim [[:nn:User:Jarle]] (Administrator on nn:)
Øyvind Jo Heimdal Eik [[:en:User:Pladask]] (Administrator on nn: and no:)
Kristian André Gallis [[:nn:User:Kristaga]]
Vegard Wærp [[:no:User:Vegardw]]
Nina Aldin Thune [[:no:User:Nina]]
Thor-Rune Hansen [[:no:User:ThorRune]]
Claes Tande [[:no:User:Ctande]]
Arnt-Erik Krokaa [[:no:User:AEK]]
Rune Sattler [[:no:User:Shauni]]
Hoi,
In the Betawiki newsbrief, Siebrand asked people to help complete a message
group. I am happy to report that currently 107 languages are over the 98%
marker for the "most used messages". There have been 25 languages like
Latin, Tagalog and Sanskrit who worked on these most important messages from
the day that Siebrand asked for an end of year push.
For 144 languages with over 90% there are 85 who have translated all the
"most used messages", it would be really cool if we could end the year with
the goal of 120 reached :) It should be possible for Siebrand to reach this
goal with a little bit of your help.
Thanks,
GerardM
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Betawiki:News/Newsletter_2008-12http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statisticshttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Siebrand#Goals_for_MediaWiki_localisatio…
The magazine RNA
biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced
that they are requiring researchers publishing research on
families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a
Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.
The notion is that the paper in the
magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer
reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.
There are several problems:
- Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia with different subject linked by
hyperlinks. It is not a collection of summaries of scientific articles. This
means that information that is relevant in one research paper is likely to
find a home in many Wikipedia articles. This makes a traditional peer
review, where the review takes place before publication, problematic if not
impossible.
- The proposed Wikipedia article is a summary of a scientific paper.
Scientific papers do not provide a neutral point of
view<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV>and they should not be neutral.
For Wikipedia NPOV is essential and people
get banned for pushing their point of view.
- The subject matter is so specialised that a typical Wikipedia admin
will not be able to judge it. This allows for a lot of misunderstandings and
conflict.
- Writing a scientific article and writing a Wikipedia article requires
different skills. Wikipedia serves the general public and its articles
should reflect this. A different vocabulary, a different style of writing is
required.
I think there is a need for more discussion before this actually starts
happening.
Thanks,
GerardM
NB the article<http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081216/full/news.2008.1312.html>that
proposes this is a paid for article in Nature, there is also a press
release <http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Press/2008/081217.shtml> about this.
Señores
Serian tan gentiles de traducirme vuestros escritos en español, y comprendo ingles cotidiano pero no el tecnico.
Hay muchas palabras que no las entiendo.
Donde vivo no tengo ha nadie con quien hablar ingles por eso he perdido la practica.
Se me hace muy dificil participar con Uds.
Por otra parte por lo que logro entender es que estan aplicando la biologia en todo hasta en las contrucciones, lo encuentro fabuloso que usemos nuestros conocimientos cientificos en el cuidado del medio ambiente, en la manera de producir cualquier cosa , que con los conocimientos cientificos respetemos los ciclos naturales.
Solo pido que sea lo antes posible. Tengan fe que Uds tienen todo el poder para hacerlo.R. Gabriela Sanhueza> From: wikipedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:14:52 +0000> > Send Wikipedia-l mailing list submissions to> wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> wikipedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> wikipedia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Wikipedia-l digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 2. Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 3. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Andrew Gray)> 4. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Gregory Maxwell)> 5. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 6. Re: RNA biology (Tim Starling)> 7. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 8. Re: RNA biology (Maury Markowitz)> 9. Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season> greetings (Gerard Meijssen)> 10. Re: RNA biology (Jacky PB)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:19:32 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812220619o42afac38yae05e2eb8def5fe3(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am quite convinced that this is a good faith attempt to bring more science> to the masses. I wanted to highlight the issues and learn from the people> who proposed this how they want to deal with this. When you read a> scientific paper, 90%+ in a paper is explaining what is already known any> way. When the idea is to make sure that these basic facts are represented> well in Wikipedia, we have a real winner on our hands.> > Implied in the proposal is that these summaries will be published under the> CC-by-sa because without it, the publication of these summaries in Wikipedia> are impossible anyway.> > When it becomes clear that Wikipedia is not the right place for the> publication of these summaries, the WMF could create a new project for> Wikipedia style summaries of scientific papers. These summaries would be> published without anonymity and with a clear connection to the scientific> paper. In this way, we have a resource that people can refer to in wikipedia> both as a source and for further reading.> > A project like this will imho do the status of the WMF a world of good and,> give an extra push to the Open Access movement because these papers will> bring science to our public and our public is the world.> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/22 Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> > > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>> > > announced that they are requiring researchers publishing> > > research on families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> >> > As a scientist, I find this move dubious.> > Even if we overlook the problem posed by the NPOV policy of> > wikipedia, it seems that the magazine wants to outsource peer> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> >> > From my POV, there are only 2 things that could make sense> > here:> > 1. RNA biology creats its own specialized wiki where self-assumed> > experts can contribute.> > 2. Once an article is published, Wikipedia gets a right to use> > excerpts in its articles.> >> > Dpotop> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:05 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <60636.91.155.182.36.1229970845.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > Hello Wikipedians!> > I would like to know opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate,> also official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation on following:> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> images used in en as fair-use.> > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> potentially violate the law or our license?> > > I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair and honest: Yes, I feel> it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would like to know,> if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this opinion.> > Thank you,> Jiri Hofman> > PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no intention to spam, only forgotten> registration confirmation.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:05 +0000> From: "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <f3fedb0d0812221042o25873957ia9d060e8eb50d622(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>:> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> > example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> > Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> > potentially violate the law or our license?> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> comparable...> > -- > - Andrew Gray> andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:02:27 -0500> From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <e692861c0812221402l3ce5e146jb8d5dd2a4457f556(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz> wrote:> [snip]> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> > which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> > also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> > of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> > images used in en as fair-use.> > I don't believe the characterization of desiring to satisfy local laws> is all that accurate: Any industrialized nation without some kind of> legal provision for fair use would be paralysed without some> comparable notion to fair use? and in fact many of the language> Wikipedias which deny fair use have matching countries which very> clearly do have some analogue of fair use.> > Rather, most deny fair use because they believe it brings them closer> to the princlples of free content underlying Wikipedia. (And it's> pretty indisputable that in many cases it has this effect, although at> a cost?)> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> [snip]> > This is a question of local project policy, but I would suspect that> the answer is No, you're basically evading their content rules. These> projects want you to find or obtain freely licensed images, talk> people into releasing under a free license, etc.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:09 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <60171.91.155.182.36.1229985729.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>:> >> >> Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article> >> or> >> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> >> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> >> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> >> potentially violate the law or our license?> >> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> > like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> > comparable...> > Well, I would not like it as it is a link which should be rather in> references or external link section. If it was a link to the official site> of the band with this image it would be a perfect candidate to external> link section.> > I disagree this is quite comparable. I do not know under what license> Amazon shows the images. Moreover everybody could directly see that this> is not a part of Wikipedia, nobody could say: "you are trying to cheat me,> not all of your Wikipedia content is free".> > Is similar linking in use in some Wikipedias?> > Jiri> > > >> > --> > - Andrew Gray> > andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:00:14 +1100> From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <gipgne$c8i$1(a)ger.gmane.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > The magazine RNA> > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > The notion is that the paper in the> > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer> > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> in Wikipedia or else"'.> > -- Tim Starling> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:10:10 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812230010t5bdce679n1022672e40bed14c(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am not subscribed to the English language Wikipedia mailing list. I now> had a look and think that this subject has a wider importance then only the> en.wp. Now I am subscribed and am on "do not send".> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/23 Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> > > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > > The notion is that the paper in the> > > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be> > peer> > > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> >> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> > in Wikipedia or else"'.> >> > -- Tim Starling> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:17:03 -0500> From: "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <5bdbc9050812230717s18a88ecaw33d6c073aaebad7d(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> > I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > Maury> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:38:13 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you> and season greetings> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812240838t6cd6f826ja98b806615ef704f(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their> e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end> of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all.> > Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or> the Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks..> Thanks and happy holidays,> GerardM> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> From: Siebrand Mazeland> Date: 2008/12/24> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings> To: mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers,> > As Betawiki staff we would like to thank you very much for your continued> support making MediaWiki projects succeed, and hope on good health for you> and your loved ones, and your continued contributions for 2009.> > End of December 2007 Siebrand formulated localisation goals for MediaWiki> For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks like the> four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki staff> do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the> year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive.> > == 1,000 Euro bounty ==> Together with Stichting Open Progress[2] we are able to make available 1,000> Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new> translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In> the past week there have been 5 users that made more than 500 translations,> so that is quite an incentive, we think! If you are eligible to claim your> share of the bounty, please do that at the designated page[3]. Please note> if you would like to receive your cut, have us donate it to the Wikimedia> Foundation on your behalf, or if you do not claim it, in which case> Stichting Open Progress will repurpose it.> > We wish you happy and productive holidays and hope to see you (re)visit> Betawiki often!> > Betawiki Staff[4]> > [1]> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2007-December/000571.html> [2] http://openprogress.org/Stichting_Open_Progress> [3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim> [4] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=staff> > > _______________________________________________> Mediawiki-i18n mailing list> Mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:14:50 -0800 (PST)> From: Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <659266.99906.qm(a)web36301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > > > > >> reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> >> nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> >> scientific discussion.> > >I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > It was not intended as insulting, and you did not specify> to whom it is insulting and why. > > I may rephrase this as follows: I believe the job of Wikipedia> is not to create results, but to put them into a social and> historical perspective, and reveal to the general reader the> relations between pieces of> knowledge. To do this, not being a specialist is not a problem, > on the contrary. This actually corresponds to the first job of a > junior scientist: Bibliography search.> > Cheers,> Dpotop> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Wikipedia-l mailing list> Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> > > End of Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> *******************************************
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Hoi,
Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their
e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end
of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all.
Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or
the Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks..
Thanks and happy holidays,
GerardM
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Siebrand Mazeland
Date: 2008/12/24
Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings
To: mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers,
As Betawiki staff we would like to thank you very much for your continued
support making MediaWiki projects succeed, and hope on good health for you
and your loved ones, and your continued contributions for 2009.
End of December 2007 Siebrand formulated localisation goals for MediaWiki
For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks like the
four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki staff
do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the
year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive.
== 1,000 Euro bounty ==
Together with Stichting Open Progress[2] we are able to make available 1,000
Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new
translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In
the past week there have been 5 users that made more than 500 translations,
so that is quite an incentive, we think! If you are eligible to claim your
share of the bounty, please do that at the designated page[3]. Please note
if you would like to receive your cut, have us donate it to the Wikimedia
Foundation on your behalf, or if you do not claim it, in which case
Stichting Open Progress will repurpose it.
We wish you happy and productive holidays and hope to see you (re)visit
Betawiki often!
Betawiki Staff[4]
[1]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2007-December/000571.html
[2] http://openprogress.org/Stichting_Open_Progress
[3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim
[4] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=staff
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Hello Wikipedians!
I would like to know opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate,
also official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation on following:
As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)
which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy
also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because
of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain
images used in en as fair-use.
Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or
infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For
example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English
Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can
potentially violate the law or our license?
I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair and honest: Yes, I feel
it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would like to know,
if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this opinion.
Thank you,
Jiri Hofman
PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no intention to spam, only forgotten
registration confirmation.
Dear friends,
I am linguist, working in a major Brazilian university (UNICAMP), and I have
worked with and researched the language of the indigenous people Kaingang
more than 30 years. On behalf of a group of teachers, who are native
speakers of Kaingang (one of the six indigenous languages of Brazil with the
largest number of speakers) would like to request the creation of a
Wikipedia in that language. The objectives are: (i) enlarge the democratic
character of the web, which the Wikipedia is a model, (ii) give greater
visibility to minority languages, and (iii) strengthen the Kaingang
language, (iv) encourage the emergence of indigenous writers.
I appreciate that you could help us in this endeavor to succeed.
Next week we met (myself, with three volunteers students with about 20
Kaingang teachers, in the largest Indian reservation of them, called
Guarita, to give way to questions related to this proposal).
I await your comments.
Regards.
Wilmar da Rocha D'Angelis
www.portalkaingang.org
Forget the last message about the UK ISP's blocking certain articles,
the sentence I pasted from wikinews said the some wikimedia sites are
blocked altogether by some UK ISP's. That should clarify what I'm been
saying.