The proposed deletion of these pages is quite outrageous. Meta is a place
to prepare content for Wikipedias, in this case, future Wikipedias. I don't
think the intention of the pages on Meta is to actually build a Scots/Voro
site there, but it is merely a showcase.
Anyway, the consensus on Meta seems to be to keep those pages. I hope that
anything that has been deleted is restored as soon as practicable (there's
nothing in the log though, the pages have probably just been moved). But
yeah, I think that these showcases are quite good ideas, and I'd hate to see
them destroyed by rules lawyers on Meta.
Regards,
- Craig
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and Culture.
Sorry to keep on about this, but I'm still not clear as to whether this
will be on in 1.5 - it's not on the 1.5 test wiki. (Brion switched it on
and everything broke, so he switched it off again.)
What will it take for it to be switched on in 1.5 on Wikipedia? Or at least
on en:?
(I ask in particular because if it's going on then we need to work out what
things to rate articles on, debug the interface and so on.)
- d.
Hi everyone, just forwarding this mail concerning MediaWiki.
Rough translation: MediaWiki nominated for "special php prize" on a
french contest (no, we haven't won yet :p).
We'll hopefully coordinate in France so someone can go there on the
26th for prize.
Nicolas
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Sujet: [Wikimediafr-l] Les Trophées du Libre - votre nomination
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:30:30 +0200
De: Christophe Ballihaut <christophe.ballihaut(a)nexenservices.com>
Répondre à: Discussion à propos de l'association Wikimédia en France
<wikimediafr-l(a)wikimedia.org>
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Pour: wikimediafr-l(a)wikimedia.org
Copie: brion(a)pobox.com
Bonjour,
votre project a été nominé pour le prix Special PHP des Trophées du Libre.
http://www.tropheesdulibre.org/rubrique.php3
Il a été élu parmis une 40 de projets par un jury composé de:
* Rasmus Lerdof (Créateur de PHP)
* Bård Farstad(co-fondateur eZ Systems)
* Benoît Thieulin (Attaché au cabinet du Premier Ministre)
* Damien Seguy ( co-fondateur de Nexen Services et Nexen.net).
Je souhaite organiser la venue d'un représentant officiel du projet
Mediawiki
en France lors de la remise des prix le 26 mai 2005 à Soisson.
Pouvez vous rentrer en contact avec moi pour gérer cela.
Pour information, le projet a été soumis par brion(a)pobox.com
et le Prix est sponsorisé par Nexen Services.
Cordialement,
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Thank you, Angela!
If it's impossible to create real Wikipedia in Võro in near future
then please move the Võro TestWikipedia as soon as possible to an other location (Wikicities?) if you can do it!
Because I am afraid to continue creating new articles in Võro when Võro Test Wiki remains in MetaWiki,
it seems too unsafe.
Sulev
20.05.2005 5:07:47, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> kirot':
>On 5/20/05, Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> wrote:
>> The place where our Wikis are listed for deletion.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#Scotland
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#Another_.22Wikipe…
>> Where must we move now?
>
>Something's gone very wrong when playing chess on the wiki
>(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chess_championship>) is
>acceptable but creating a demo Wikipedia in a new language is not.
>
>If this does not survive VfD, and you want a temporary small wiki,
>you're welcome at <http://scratchpad.wikicities.com/>. For a longer
>term Wikicity, you need consensus within Wikipedia that this language
>can *not* exist within Wikimedia.
>
>Angela.
>
On 5/20/05, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/20/05, Sulev Iva <juvasul at ut.ee> wrote:
>> The place where our Wikis are listed for deletion.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#Scotland
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#Another_.22Wikipe…
>> Where must we move now?
>Something's gone very wrong when playing chess on the wiki
>(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chess_championship>) is
>acceptable but creating a demo Wikipedia in a new language is not.
>If this does not survive VfD, and you want a temporary small wiki,
>you're welcome at <http://scratchpad.wikicities.com/>. For a longer
>term Wikicity, you need consensus within Wikipedia that this language
>can *not* exist within Wikimedia.
That's a good offer, Angela. Thank you. We may have to take you up on that.
I too feel that its crazy that these articles have been placed on Meta:Rfd when
the main purpose of Metapedia is (and has always been) to discuss the
direction of the Wikipedia/WikiMedia projects and to help co-ordinate work on
existing and new editions. These test-wikis were set up to demonstrate
commitment and to thrash out any problems which might impede their
development before committing a developer to the task of setting them up
properly. This is in order not to waste developer time on creating wikipedias
which sound good in principle but aren't viable in practice and I would say that
it falls under role three of the four roles described on Meta:About. However if
we are going to be "run out of town" before we have had a chance to get
properly started, I can only urge that the new wikipedias be set up properly
immediately without a test period on Meta so that we have somewhere to run
to.
Cheers
Derek
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Through my participation in the schools debate, it has come to my
attention that there are wikipedians who believe that we should
include everything which is verifiable and NPOV, with no standard of
notoriety applied. My perspective is that while that might be a good
set of criteria for a dictionary of trivia, it is not a good criteria
for an encyclopedia, even one made out of tiny bits of magnetized
composits rather than paper.
I don't wish to bring the school debate to this list right now.
However, I would like to discuss the include-everything view that I
have seen being used to justify including schools.
When I have exchanges like this:
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[[Wikipedia:Schools]]
** David, as we discussed on IRC, this rule would allow for the
creation of articles for a huge number of roadway intersections in the
US.. Plenty of official documentation at the city and state offices,
and Federal records in many cases, plus newspaper reports of
construction and accidents (just like schools). We could fill an
article up with trivia such as the frequency of accidents, time of
first construction... Photographs. Is this really acceptable in the
inclusionist agenda? Sure intersections are verifyable and NPOV, but
the vast majority of them are not notable. I encourage all who support
David's proposed rules, or similar proposed rulesets to reply. :)
--[[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 15:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
** Actually that sounds pretty cool. [[m:Wiki is not paper]]. Accident
data on road intersections could be very, very encyclopedic. Not sure
how feasible it would be, however. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony
Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 15:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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I must question if I really understand the point of Wikipedia.
Already the next database dumb of cur will likely be too big to fix
gzipped on my Zarus (a pocket sized computer. The prior one just fit
it's 1gb SD card and I find it amazingly useful ... I'm going to need
to come up with some kind of filter to reduce the size for the next
one)..... Soon we will begin brushing the size of what we can fit on
a DVD, so what of access to our work by people in disconnected
communities and third-world nations? As our working-set grows past the
amount of ram we can reasonably expect to put in our caches and
database servers, our performance will become increasingly diskbound.
I think that many people mistake the the claim that [[m:Wiki is not
paper]] with a claim that we have boundless storage without
compromise.
Most of the facts that are in Wikipedia (though to not all) were
available elseware on the internet prior to Wikipedia, but often a
quick google search wouldn't find them because they were in a wash of
cruft, random inaccurate uncorrectable information, and
advertisements. Today much of that information is easier to find
because of Wikipedia, a beautiful accomplishment, but one which may be
lost if we lower the barrier to entry to be sufficiently low as to
include anything that anyone can cite.
I think it would be useful to have a universal repository for
verifiable and neutrally reported trivia, but just as we use
Wiktionary rather than Wikipedia for word definitions and wikisources
for freely licensed reference works, we should put material which is
not substantially notable in it's own project which can cater to the
special needs of that material and the special costs of providing that
service.
I didn't just choose the intersection example because I thought it was
a good strawman, ( :) ), I also choose it because I'm aware of the
level of information available, and could actually create a lot of
these articles myself. Since I used to work for a county government in
Florida, still have a copy of most of the GIS database, and know the
right people in a few other counties, I could patch together a bot to
create thousands of such articles, complete with aerial photographs,
construction dates, and in many cases some level of traffic
information (I have traffic counters for all the arterial/arterial
intersections with the data I have). ... The point is that I haven't
spammed wikipedia with this data because I believe it is completely
inappropriate for an Encyclopedia, and I imagine many other people
have a similar ability to produce endless quantities of non-notable
material if that what we thought wikipedia was supposed to contain.
... Such trivia would only be useful as a raw reference, why not
wikisource if any of the preexisting wikis?
So, I'd really appreciate some commentary on this... Am I in a
minority in expecting a criteria of notability to be used in our
judgement of encyclopedic merit, or should we really be including
every fact we can cite?
This is for Wiktionary! This is very exciting!
This is a major award froma major US computer magazine.
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