Hello everybody!
We use two scripts on the Kurdish Wikipedia, too. Ours may be even stranger,
because it uses latin and arabic (right-to-left) script. Of course the interface
is only in latin script.
I think two scripts in the serbian Wikipedia may be the best solution, if it's
not a problem that the interface can't have both.
Just because I'm curious, can everybody in Serbia read both alphabets?
Greetings,
Erdal
Hello,
I am Milos and I am bureaucrat on sr:
First of all, I have to tell you some introduction in our alphabet problems.
Until the second half of 19th century Serbs used only Cyrillic alphabet. (In the ancient history, Serbs was using Latin and Glagolic alphabet for a short time, but without stronger cultural consequences.) Between the second half of 19th century and the end of The Second World War, Latin alphabet was not used a lot; it was used by very small number of writers. After the end of WWII, strong cultural influence of Communist Party of Yugoslavia gave to Serbs active usage of Latin alphabet. During 1980's and 1990's Latin alphabet was used more often then Cyrillic (maybe 60%, maybe even 70%). Today, the situation is something about 50-50 with tendency of Cyrillic usage growth. In this moment we have very strong xenophobic movement. A lot of them are very active on Internet and on Wikipedia, too. They do not accept Latin alphabet as "Serbian". Even a lot of people use Latin alphabet.
I made voting for the question: Would Serbian Wikipedia has Latin pages too? Even the end of August is the end of voting for that question, I think that usage of Latin alphabet would not pass. Situation is 4:2 against and Serbian Wikipedia doesn't have a lot of active users (we have one or two new users which can't vote).
Even I use Cyrillic alphabet, I relies that usage of Latin alphabet is important for us: We have significant minority (about 50%!) of Latin users and if anyone starts to search on Internet, (s)he uses Latin alphabet, not Cyrillic (usually even without Serbian Latin letters). We have very ironic situation: If you type the name of one of Serbian 19th century writers, Radoje Domanovic (in Serbian Cyrillic: Радоје Домановић, in Serbian Latin: Radoje Domanović) in Google, you will get: (1) Cyrillic: Serbian Wikipedia is on the first place; (2) Any Latin: Wikipedia doesn't exists.
So, I think that we can do something like this: We can make secondary Serbian Wikipedia using secondary two-letters code for Serbian language: sp. It would not be "real" Wikipedia, because it should be used only for transliteration of Cyrillic Wikipedia (transliteration from Serbian Cyrillic to Serbian Latin is algorithmic, the reverse process is fuzzy). All of the pages on sp: should be "protected" and when someone writes something on Cyrillic Wikipedia, it should be transliterated to Latin, too. Also, all of users should be the same.
I think it is good solution because we would not have multiplication of work (such as we have now: Croatian, Bosnian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedias are using the (very, very) almost the same language). All of people would work on sr:, not on sp:.
Also, I have some notes to developers (if the request passes): about technical solution for that. It would not any consequence to Wikimedia's performances because it is (almost) row transliteration.
Best,
Milos
Volunteers needed for research study on the experience of the regular use
of several information and communication technologies for daily-life
activities, such as work, personal and family communication, social
networking, and leisure activities. The study is designed to look at the
multiple worlds many of us now deal with as a regular part of our daily
lives. Participation in the study involves one or two in-person or phone
interviews, lasting from one and a half to two hours each, conducted by a
researcher affiliated with Fielding Graduate Institute
(<http://www.fielding.edu/>www.fielding.edu ). To qualify, you must be over
18 years old and use at least two Internet applications (e-mail, the Web,
on-line bulletin boards or discussion spaces, mailing lists/listserv's or
newsgroups, access to news, instant messaging, chat rooms, webcam), at
least one other computer application (e.g. word-processing, spreadsheet,
database), and the telephone and/or phone-based text messaging on a daily
or nearly daily basis as a major part of your work and personal activities,
and you must have been doing so for at least six months. For an in-person
interview (preferred but not essential), you should also live in or near
New York City; Providence, Rhode Island, or Portland, Oregon, which is
where the researchers are located. For a phone interview, you should live
in the continental United States, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Hong
Kong, Israel, Italy, Japan, or Australia. Upon completion, this study will
be available to any interviewee who expresses an interest in it. There is
no remuneration for participating in the study. If you are interested,
email internetresearch(a)fielding.edu.
Hello all,
A major revision of LanguageGa.php has been uploaded
onto Meta, at the page of the same name - could a
developer update it?
Thanks.
-- Kwekubo / Gabriel Beecham
___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
That sounds pretty good - I'd love to help with medieval history, you'd
definitely need at least an Ælfred ðe Great article!
>From: "James R. Johnson" <modean52(a)comcast.net>
>Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>To: <wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org>
>Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: FW: Wikipedia for Old English
>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:27:25 -0400
>
>Hey Adam,
> Thanks for the help and kinds words - these are all very good and
>important questions.
>
>As for types of articles, I (myself as a writer/contributor to the AS
wiki)
>would like to start out with simple fact-based articles, perhaps the
ones
>listed on the "100 articles every wiki should have." I would
hope that
>people would contribute articles, either Pokemon, Mario, News,
Biography,
>whatever. I have no doubt someone will want to write Anglo-Saxon
related
>articles, but I'd rather do modern history, some biographies, biology,
>technology, etc. If you'd like to write the Pokemon article, feel free!
Ic
>wille þæt séon, gif þu þæt wille wrítan. There are people who can
>contribute readily on the Forum for Old English mailing list, English-L
>mailing list, and Old English Made Easy mailing list.
>
>The form of the language would be early West Saxon, as used in the Clark
>Hall Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary, without the syncopation of endings
in
>verbs (a more formal syntactic convention).
>
>The groups are above mentioned, as well as other groups that can be
found
>with a google search. There is already a terminology page for the
technology
>terms, as well as many biology and other terms native to the language.
As
>Icelandic has created new uses for old words, I'm sure Old English can
do
>the same (How about an article about a circulwyrde or the symantec
fyrweall
>rungestreon, or þá Nipponiscan léode (the Japanese people)?).
>
>Does that help?
>
>James
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org
>[mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Adam Bishop
>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:22 PM
>To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: FW: Wikipedia for Old English
>
>I think an Old English Wikipedia sounds interesting (although I don't
know
>very much OE myself), and now that you are also discussing Latin, I
wanted
>to point out a few problems you might encounter (I am an admin on the
Latin
>Wikipedia):
>
>Most importantly, you should start off by making some guidelines about
what
>should and should not be included. The Latin wikipedia is pretty old
and
>only recently has there been a concerted effort to give it some
direction -
>I think any new wikipedia in a dead language would benefit from having
the
>rules first.
>
>For example, you would (I assume) want to have articles about
Anglo-Saxon
>related topics, but will people also want to write about unrelated
subjects?
>
> Will the stereotypical Pokemon article be allowed?
>
>What form of the language will you use? For Latin, I think we try to be
as
>classical as possible, although there is some medieval and neo-Latin
there
>too. As far as I understand, the 9th century Wessex dialect is the most
>attested form of Anglo-Saxon, right? Would you accept alternate
>spelling/grammar found in other dialects (Northumbrian, perhaps)?
>
>(As a side note, you would probably also want to specifically state that
Old
>English is not the same as "ye olde English", nor is it
Chaucerian or
>Shakespearian English, as has been mentioned already.)
>
>Are there groups who still use Old English, from whom you can draw
either
>contributors or information on where to begin? Is there any information
on
>how to use OE words for modern concepts? For Latin it is fairly easy to
find
>Neo-Latin terms, but what if you want to write about Japan, for example,
in
>OE? I guess my point is, can OE still be used in a meaningful way, or
will
>you be limited by existing vocabulary?
>
>I hope these questions/suggestions help, and I hope I can contribute
when it
>is created!
>
>Adam Bishop
>
>
>&gt;From: Pierre Abbat &lt;phma(a)phma.hn.org&gt;
>&gt;Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>&gt;To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>&gt;Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: FW: Wikipedia for Old English
>&gt;Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:40:55 -0400 &gt; &gt;On
Thursday 05 August 2004
>10:48, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
>&gt; &gt; &quot;James R. Johnson&quot;
&lt;modean52(a)comcast.net&gt; writes:
>&gt; &gt; &gt; I guess it's like Latin in being a dead
language, but just as
>&gt; &gt; &gt; deserving of a Wiki.
>&gt; &gt;
>&gt; &gt; Encyclopedia writer should try to get the facts right
before
>posting.
>&gt; &gt; Latin is still in use (and it was never dead). And,
more
>important, &gt; &gt; Latin something like a sleeping lingua
franca.
>&gt;
>&gt;&quot;Dead&quot; referring to a language means
&quot;having no native
>speakers&quot;. Unlike Manx, &gt;which died with its last native
speaker
>(but is still in use), Latin died &gt;(but remained in use) when its
>descendants differentiated sufficiently that &gt;none of them was
Latin,
>which can't be pinpointed as precisely.
>&gt;
>&gt;phma
>&gt;--
>&gt;li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
>&gt;_______________________________________________
>&gt;Wikipedia-l mailing list
>&gt;Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>&gt;http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special
>stationery, fonts and colors.
>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt
>p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
> Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the
>first two months FREE*.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikipedia-l mailing list
>Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikipedia-l mailing list
>Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
_________________________________________________________________
MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling
get-togethers.
http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…
Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the
first two months FREE*.
I just went to jbo.wikipedia.org and hit the "Create wiki" button and got a
page saying "Invalid request". Why?
phma
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
What do you think about dividing meta into 2 wikis:
* 1 for organizational purposes
* 1 for rants, loose discussions, lists of Wikipedians by eye color
and other stuff like that
Currently meta serves both function, but doesn't serve either of them well.