1. Is there a graph or chart somewhere showing the number of
wikipedia articles at different points in time?
2. Some time ago, I saw where someone had done a comparison of
Britannica versus Wikipedia articles, some 200 articles compared as I
recall. Where is that? How old is it? Have there been other
comparisons done?
3. If you're a prominent Wikipedian in the San Francisco area who
would be interested in being interviewed, please email me and let me
know your contact info so I can pass it along.
--Jimbo
We get more and more complaints from german Wikipedians about the
inavailability of the german language Wikipedia. So, what's the status here
right now? The hardware that went down at christmas time should be replaced
by now?!? Or are we still running on that low-performing fail-over-system,
and if so, why?
Uli
I like this feature, although I just can use the "Example-Version", since I
use the Konqi. But since I will never use it, til it work for Konqi too, there
should be an option in the user-preferences to switch of this toolbar.
There should be 3 states:
1. Toolbar for every browser (may just in the "example-version")
2. Toolbar just for browsers it works in the original way
(no "example-version")
3. No toolbar.
Second should be default for logged in users. First should be the default for
IP-Adresses.
> > However, I'm not in love with the icons. They look like buttons but
> > don't have a "pushed" state
>
> I'm not sure if adding a mouseover effect would make sense, but if you
> think so, feel free to submit pushed state buttons.
I am not sure, if David means that, but I would prefer this too.
Since I can not test this, I have a question. Does the toolbar recognize, if
the selected Text is (as an example) already bold and will delete this
formating, after clicking the bold-button again?
(I guess, this was what David means with "pushed state buttons". If the text
is bold, the button is shown in the "pushed" version)
Regards
Ivo Köthnig
I like this feature, although I just can use the "Example-Version", since I
use the Konqi. But since I will never use it, til it work for Konqi too, there
should be an option in the user-preferences to switch of this toolbar.
There should be 3 states:
1. Toolbar for every browser (may just in the "example-version")
2. Toolbar just for browsers it works in the original way
(no "example-version")
3. No toolbar.
Second should be default for logged in users. First should be the default for
IP-Adresses.
> > However, I'm not in love with the icons. They look like buttons but
> > don't have a "pushed" state
>
> I'm not sure if adding a mouseover effect would make sense, but if you
> think so, feel free to submit pushed state buttons.
I am not sure, if David means that, but I would prefer this too.
Since I can not test this, I have a question. Does the toolbar recognize, if
the selected Text is (as an example) already bold and will delete this
formating, after clicking the bold-button again?
(I guess, this was what David means with "pushed state buttons". If the text
is bold, the button is shown in the "pushed" version)
Regards
Ivo Köthnig
Erik wrote:
>All I see is a row of buttons and a line under it that says "Click a
>button to see an example for this formatting" - that seems fairly
>obvious to me.
Of course it does. You wrote it.
>Let's judge this feature based on more feedback than just yours.
I'm *not* the only one who had a similar complaint.
>I think your arguments smack of techno-elitism, "I learned wiki markup
>the hard way, so everyone else has to as well!"
No - my arguments are from the perspective of a person who is using the
feature for the first time. Hardly techno-elitism.
A developer who engages in a CVS commit war in opposition to the consensus of
the other developers due to the fact that he wants to push through a largely
untested feature is techno-elitism.
A developer who does not listen to users is techno-elitism.
A developer who thinks that his feature is fine, but it is the users who are
are wrong is techno-elitism.
>I would have loved to have even such a simple help toolbar when I
>started using Wikipedia. Yes, wiki markup is simple, but it's good to
>have learning aids.
Not when that aid looks like something else and causes confusion.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Karl wrote:
>> 4. Link to them, make them pay, add a link to
>> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html> and let the informed
>> reader decide for himself. ???
>Adding such a link could be a way out of the mess.
I added such a link to
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Book_sources .
This is the first time in a while I have Been Bold to such an extent. I
welcome feedback/reversions/flames/expressions of delight at the wording
I used.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:55:00 -0800
To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: [associates(a)amazon.com: Amazon.comAssociatesprogram - your application approved]
> b schewek wrote:
> > There has not been one reason given so far why WP should link to
> > booksellers in the first place.
>
> Well, that's a conversation that we've had more than once, see.
Sorry, that was before my time.
If you could point me to those arguments.
(Those might render my further remarks obsolete.)
> It's clearly useful to many readers. It's not evil to buy books.
> It's not even evil to sell books.
>
> Let's say we have an article about Stephen King (we do). And an
> article about one of his books (we do). Why should we not link to a
> page that lets people know how they can do more research by actually
> obtaining the book? The user might want to buy it, or borrow it from
> a library, or read reviews of it, etc.
>
> I've seen arguments that I respect (though I'm ultimately unconvinced)
> as to why we should not link to Amazon in particular. But I've seen
> no argument to suggest that linking to booksellers _generally_ is a
> bad thing. Why should it be?
> I suppose some might argue that any form of voluntary exchange, money
> for books, is immoral. But, I'd like to see it.
I never suggested it would be bad in and by itself to engage in trade,
to link to booksellers or to promote reading or...
I just question if it is *within the WP-idea* to link to people or organizations selling the item itself.
Many things are useful to people.
But WP's purpose is to be useful in a specific way,
and one would have to argue that pointing to a
book (or whatever) seller enhances this usefulness.
>
> Just for the record, after nearly 24 hours with the link on the book
> sources page, sales and revenue to us are $0.00. It's a bit early to
> tell, but I think it's fairly clear that this (linking for money) is
> going to be a complete nonissue anyway.
Well, if there is no revenue
it means there was no use
which means we can remove the link. (Just kidding.)
-- Schewek
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Erik wrote:
>Daniel-
>> A developer who engages in a CVS commit war in opposition to the
>> consensus of the other developers
>
>That's utter and complete bullshit. I'm very disappointed - why do you
>have to resort to lies to make your point?
Wasn't there a consensus on the IRC channel that the feature was not ready for
immediate implementation?
Do you deny that you then deleted Tim's site-wide switch that turned your
feature off?
I heard about this *after* I wrote an email defending you and your actions.
That disappointed me.
But I see that things seem to have settled down some, so I apologize for
implicating that the CVS commit war was ongoing.
-- mav
>From http://www.wikinfo.org/ which is very (very, very, ...) similar to
wikipedia (and whose articles often refer to WP as is source) the book
sources (via ISBN link as can be seen on the frontpage under "Interesting
new books") leave the user the decision about where to buy the book. There,
four sources are given (with the resp. ISBN links): AddALL, PriceSCAN,Barnes
& Noble, and - of course - Amazon.com.
http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=0521365147
. One may arbitrarily add more sources (for those who want to have a really
competitive market).
Mark