I'm posting this to wikipedia-l rather than wikitech-l, so nobody can
accuse me of secret implement-and-install action again ;-)
I have installed another version of the "Enhanced Recent Changes" at
http://test.wikipedia.org
It features a better alignment of entries, and a "user summary", among
other things. The look might be a little more "technical", though.
Please, have a look, tell me if you like it better than the current one
(or if not;-)
Magnus
P.S.: The speed can be improved, I'm still in debugging phase.
On Saturday 04 January 2003 04:00 am, Alexander Stephen Bradbury wrote:
> I think the new main page is looking pretty good, I wouldn't mind changing
> the current one for it. I think going live with it on Wikipedia Day (if
> people agree, obviously) would be great. ... We definitely need a
> press release though. Some statistics (like in the PG newsletters) would
> be nice, what we've achieved, what we need to do. Has anyone drafted
> anything yet?
>
> ASB [[User:Smelialichu]]
Our first press release from a year ago is here:
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia's_first_press_release--draft_for_comment
We can simply rewrite that to serve as this years version.
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma Payment. Have you had you Wiki today?
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=January_6&diff=563902&oldid=563…
I also updated various pages linked from that page
> I disagree. IntlWiki-l should be about non-policy related interlanguage
> coordination issues
The separation doesn't make sense. Because intwiki-l is such a specialized
list, most people just subscribe to wikipedia-l. Which is fine, because we
really don't need a separate list:
* Language string and site setup issues should be brought up on wikitech-l
where all the developers actually participate and can fix problems. Small
string problems have gone unfixed because people mention them in all sorts
of different places.
* Coordination issues should be brought up on wikipedia-l where
participants from all the large Wikipedias will read about them. The whole
"embassy" idea has been stagnating pretty much because there's no common
place to talk about it.
By having more international participants on wikipedia-l, people would
also automatically become more careful about which mailing list to use for
English-only matters.
As for projects without a mailing list, well, if they use wikipedia-l in
the meantime, that should greatly speed up the creation of new mailing
lists. Their posts are just as much noise on the intwiki list: Why should
the French wiki-ambassador care about the site structure of the Slovakian
Wikipedia? On wikipedia-l it would at least be noticed, but saying "use
intwiki-l in the meantime" is a cop-out that allows us to ignore the
problems because, after all, it's on a "less important" mailing list.
If we continue to use intwiki-l, the alienation between the English and
non-English Wikipedias will increase further.
Regards,
Erik
At 12:00 05/01/2003 +0000, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >It might well be "a win from a usability point of view" inasmuch as one=20
> >doesn't have to click on a pesky check box if one's edit is minor, but thi=
>s=20
> >is surely outweighed by the fact that those "M"s on Recent Changes would=
>=20
> >all become unreliable (instead of just some of them being unreliable).
>
>I'm not sure you understand. The M flag on Recent Changes is unreliable
>RIGHT NOW. What is a minor fix to one person may be a major point of
>theology to the next person. One persons raftload of spelling fixes may
>be minor to one person, but important to another. Since the Minor flag
>is essentially meaningless, we wouldn't notice any difference if it just
>went away altogether.
No, I understand - the current system isn't perfect. That's because people
aren't perfect. But I trust people to decide what is minor and what isn't
more than I trust a computer to do it, particularly as the computer is only
going to be counting bytes to make a decision.
I agree we need some sort of guidance about what constitutes a minor edit,
which is why I'm glad we've got such guidance on
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_FAQ
LP (camembert)
I keep forgetting to enclose wikikarma - here's two:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inigo_Jones (new)
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Masque&diff=0&oldid=560981
For those recent changes addicts out there: You can now choose "Enhanced
recent changes" from your user preferences. It works with
Mozilla/Netscape7/IE, but not with Opera and some other browsers, and
uses JavaScript. Multiple edits of a page on a single day are summed up,
with a "diff" link for the total changes, and a "clickable" arrow that
lists the individual edits, with links to the "old" versions and correct
diffs!
Give it a try. I will certainly use it!
Magnus
Inline TeX support for math formulae is now enabled on Wikipedia in all
languages on phase 3; please try it out and report any functional
problems.
Those interested should probably put some documentation together; some
is on the test wiki at: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texwiki_docu
For those helping to maintain translation files, I've attached a diff of
Language.php which shows the math options and a number of other
additions of the last month or so that haven't been localized as widely
as they might.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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|From: Lars Aronsson <lars(a)aronsson.se>
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|tarquin wrote:
|> Although the /Encyclop�dia/ is not copyright and you can copy its
|> phrasing directly if you wish, Wikipedia cannot /advertise/ the presence
|> of this material using the word "Britannica", which is a trademark
|> <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark> of Encyclop�dia Britannica,
|> Inc. Of course, we can still /use/ that phrase within our pages to give
|> proper credit.
|
|What is your source for this idea that the use of the word Britannica
|would be restricted? Is it a fact or an urban legend? Are you
|representing Encyclopaedia Britannica, or have you talked to somebody
|representing the company?
No. It is their trademark. End of story. We can't use it any more
than we can use Coca-Cola.
That means we can't say "Wikipedia contains 10,000 articles from the
Encyclopedia Britannica" even if it is true that we use 10,000
out-of-copyright articles from the 1911 edition. I can't think that
we'd want to do that anyway.
Tom Parmenter
|
|I've heard a similar explanation from Michael Hart of Project
|Gutenberg when he digitized the first volume of EB11 in 1995, but I've
|also heard rumors that representatives of EB should have changed their
|mind later, although I don't know this for sure. So I'm in doubt, and
|I would like to know if you have good reason to be any more certain.
|
PS -- By the way, why so belligerent?
Tom
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I am reviewing the controversial [[New Imperialism]] article.
One side note is that Tarquin changed 9,000,000 square miles to
23,000,000 square kilometers. This move was apparently
uncontroversial.
Is that right? As an American, I frankly confess that the metric
system is a curiosity to me. 9,000,000 square miles, I can grasp,
because I know how long a mile is intuitively. The kilometer, on the
other hand, is non-intuitive, just an arbitrary length from a
textbook.
Shouldn't we give both, then?
To clarify:
I'm going out of town Monday through Friday. I'll probably have
minimal net access. I won't have time to study this at length until
the following Monday when I get back.
Right now, no one is banned. Everyone is instructed to stop fighting
and get back to work until I get back. At that time, I'll study the
issue from every angle and see what I can do to help, up to and
including banning one or more people if I'm convinced that they can't
work in a spirit of love and goodwill.
If right now, someone is technically banned, based on anything that
I've said, please lift that ban for now. And everyone please try to
be on best behavior, as a kindness to me and to each other for the
week to come. :-)
And finally, I appoint, uh, Brion Vibber, because he hasn't asked and
probably doesn't want to do it, :-) to enforce the above by whatever
he sees fit in my absence, up to and including a temporary ban until I
get back, shutting down that site completely, etc. Basically, if
anyone goes bonkers and starts vandalizing the site, then of course do
what's necessary, and Brion will be the final authority until I get
back.
Brion didn't know I was going to do this to him, so I'll duck and
run now so he doesn't hit me.
--Jmibo
Hello,
I started a page at Metawikipedia to let users without access to the CVS
easily edit the locale files (LanguageXx.php) and maybe also start to
localize Wikipedia in other languages.
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locales_for_the_Wikipedia_Software
I posted the files in iso-latin, maybe someone with a more UTF-8 friendly
system could add the others - I fear to destroy special characters.
greetings,
elian
PS: Is the languages Array really necessary in every locale? I thought
language names should be always the native ones.