Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru - Wikimedia-l

20 Mar 2018

One of the objectives of the group is to "cooperate with and represent
Wikimedia UK in Wales". This is not the same as "We legally represent
Wikimedia UK in Wales". User groups does not legally  represent the WMF and
or any chapter. If a group claim they represent a chapter in a state or
district, AffCom may ask for clarification from the group representatives.
If the response is that "we do not legally represent the chapter ", AffCom
will have no choice than to approve their application if they meet the
basic requirements for recognition.

Regards,

Isaac.

On Mar 20, 2018 4:04 PM, "Kirill Lokshin" &lt;kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be interpreted as
legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that matter).

Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Fæ &lt;faewik(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

...
  Support the request that AffCom share their
understanding of the scope
 and authority of the announced User Group.

 From the wording of "represent Wikimedia UK in Wales"[1], the UG is
 not independent of WMUK and consequently acts as a Chapter subsidiary.
 As far as I am aware, there is no other regional based UG which does
 this.

 As a corollary, the representation has legal implications for UK
 Charity. WMUK must have both responsibility and the authority to
 monitor and control how they are represented by the UG. It is not
 clear from the meta web page or the community vote how this will work,
 apart from the implicit assumption that funding paid to UG projects is
 effectively managed as a WMUK continuing programme. Presumably the UG
 will not be requesting funds from the WMF or via the FDC process
 separate from WMUK's FDC procedure.

 The original vote at the Welsh Wikipedia compared the aims to that of
 the Basque UG.[2] However based on their scope, the Basque UG does not
 officially represent any other affiliate or Chapter.

 Links
 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
 2. https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Sefydlu_Gr%C5%B5p_
 Defnyddwyr_Wicimedia

 On 19 March 2018 at 00:10, Philip Kopetzky &lt;philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com&gt;
 wrote:
  Hi Kirill!

 It would be really helpful to outline these kind of decisions with
 arguments/deliberations that AffCom decided to follow, considering that
 this sets a precedence in the worldwide community. For example, UG Wales
 states that they "cooperate with and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales" -
 does this mean that we are now accepting UGs within chapters? Is this UG
 supposed to be able to apply for grants, despite its overlap with WMUK?

 Best,
 Philip

 On 11 March 2018 at 15:44, Shlomi Fish &lt;shlomif(a)shlomifish.org&gt; wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:32:34 -0400
> Kirill Lokshin &lt;kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has 
recognized
 > > Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru
(Wikimedia Community User  Group
 > > Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group.
The group aims to promote the
> > Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
> > projects and content in the Welsh language.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
>
> congratulations!
>
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_ 
Group_Wales
 > >
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