I agree with Andre. Nor the Dutch foundation, nor the Dutch association has a broad support in Dutch community. The community has hardly any influence to the foundation and the association. A lot of users are complaining. The foundation and the association could do a great job for our project, but as soon as they get any special power to the encyclopedia, there will come troubles. So, I have no problem with the foundation and the association, but they shouldn't have any power to the Wikimedia Projects and they shouldn't have any official position within WMF. Johan Bos (nl:Jcb) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Moeller" <eloquence(a)gmail.com> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Dutch chapter >I'm forwarding this to foundation-l as it seems to be the more >relevant list. Thread so far at: >http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-April/thread.html#44205 > >Erik > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com> >Date: Apr 18, 2006 4:52 PM >Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Dutch chapter >To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org > > >I think I speak for most of the Dutch Wikipedians if I say: >* Neither the Dutch Wikimedia Foundation (Stichting Wikimedia >Nederland) nor the Dutch Wikimedia Association (Vereniging Wikimedia >Nederland) has the right to influence the content and procedures of >the Dutch Wikipedia >* The board of neither has any formal special position on the Dutch >Wikipedia >* At least the Dutch Wikimedia Foundation should not be allowed to >speak in name of the Dutch Wikipedia >* The Wikimedia Foundation is hereby requested not to give the Dutch >Wikimedia Foundation the status of chapter or any similar status > >Thank you. > >-- >Andre Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com >ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels >_______________________________________________ >Wikipedia-l mailing list >Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >_______________________________________________ >foundation-l mailing list >foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >

I think the biggest problem is that a certain group of Dutch moderators take decisions for example to block someone for a long time, without being interested in the opinion of the community. Something there is some admin power abuse done by that specific group of moderators. Now the case is that most members of that specific group of moderators are active in the foundation. The processes to form the foundation are very unclear and most of the important decisions have been taken during IRL meetings. Only people who visited those meetings had any influence at the forming of the foundation and the association. Now the danger is that members of the Dutch foundation take certain decisions, maybe under pressure of a Dutch judge or organisation or maybe just there own POV. And then they use there power to force their decision. Abuse like that will be a serious risk when de foundation would get any power. A lot of Dutch Wikipedians feel that de Dutch foundation is trying to take over the power at our Wikipedia and they are grumbling about it. Greetings, Johan Bos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthere" <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> To: <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Dutch chapter _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l