De : Michael Hart <hart(a)pglaf.org>
Date : 9 juillet 2005 19:27:27 HAEC
À : Jean-Baptiste Soufron <jbsoufron(a)gmail.com>
Objet : Rép : [Foundation-l] Fair Use and Registered Trademarks
Répondre à : "Michael S. Hart" <hart(a)pobox.com>
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
Well, trademark law has limited applications,
mainly to commercial
matters. And I don't see how using the 1911 public domain
encyclopedia can infringe the Britannica trademark. They can
pretend it does, but to sum it up, Britannica is a work, the title
of this work and a trademark.
Once the work is public domain, anybody is entitled to reproduce
it under under its right title since this title is itself part of
the work.
Thus, the trademark only protects Britannica from competitive uses
(like if someone tries to launch a Britannica book collection).
Basically, the reproduction Britannica 1911 edition is not using
the trademark Britannica, but the title Britannica.
It is always important to remember that Trademark Law is much more
restrictive than Copyright Law.
I cc Michael Hart in case he remembers anything about this
settlement with Britannica.
We never had to make any settlement with Britannica, or with Oxford,
when they complained about "The Oxford Book Of English Verse," as they
never asked us to. Oxford *did* blow some smoke about the OED, but it
was just that, and a decade ago, as I recall.
I think we will post the first page of the original OED, to test
the winds,
esp. since I own a first edition, and can thus prove it is from 1888.
We should be able to publish nearly all of the first edition,
except those
few volumes published after 1922. . .I can send a list, if you like.
I should add that PG has TWO different teams working on the
Britannica,
and the other one mentions the name much more.
I got one message from the ex-CEO of Britannica, whom I know through
other means, and explained that I had had nothing to do with the
second one.
mh
Jean-Baptiste Soufron
Le 6 juil. 05 à 14:09, Robert Scott Horning a écrit :
> I've come across a potential legal issue that has an impact
> across several Wikimedia projects that I'd like to bring up for
> general discussion.
> I've been trying to find a home for the 1911 Wikipedia (for more
> details, see the new project page), and I've been attempting to
> move it to Wikisource, with the following discussion at the
> Scriptorium:
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource%
> 3AScriptorium#1911_Wikipedia
> The larger issue I am seeking input from the regulars of this
> mailing list is in regards to proper use of registered trademarks
> for larger projects. In this case it is how a registered
> trademark can be properly used or avoided when a project is tied
> to something that inevitably has strong references to registered
> trademarks.
> In this case it is in reference to the 1911 edition of the
> Encyclopedia Britannica, where a whole sub project is going to be
> based on content from that set of volumes. This issue could also
> deal with How-to books in Wikibooks or even Star Trek or Star
> Wars trivia entries in Wikipedia, which is again why I'm posting
> this issue here rather than other Foundation lists.
> In particular for the Encyclopedia Britannica, this issue already
> came up with Project Gutenberg where Encyclopedia Britannica's
> legal team forced Project Gutenberg into a policy statement.
> Keep in mind that prior to this official statement, Project
> Gutenberg routinely referenced the associated text with the
> Encyclopedia Britannica by name. What resulted was the following:
> "The Project Gutenberg Encyclopedia is a reproduction of a 1911
> edition of a famous encyclopedia. The text has not been updated.
> Although the text is in the public domain in the United
> States, the
> original publisher still has a valid trademark in the original
> title
> of the encyclopedia. The original publisher offered Project
> Gutenberg a license to use the trademark, but the terms of the
> license were not consistent with the volunteer noncommercial
> nature
> of Project Gutenberg or its primary goal of distributing
> electronic
> text with the fewest possible restrictions. In order to avoid the
> possibility of trademark infringement, all references to the
> original title and the original publisher have been changed or
> deleted. Because of numerous references embodying possible
> trademarks, the entire preface has been omitted. The original
> publisher of the 1911 print encyclopedia was not and is not
> involved
> in any way with the creation, editing or distribution of the
> Project
> Gutenberg Encyclopedia. Any errors which may have occurred in the
> conversion to electronic form can not be attributed in any way to
> the original publisher. In order to avoid possible future
> trademark
> infringements or confusion in the minds of the public, this
> electronic version should be referred to as the Project Gutenberg
> Encyclopedia. The name of the original print encyclopedia
> should not
> be used in any way in connection with this electronic text."
> I am suggesting that the Wikimedia Foundation follow the lead of
> Project Gutenberg in this case and try to avoid implied
> endorsement by also avoiding the use of registered trademarks
> when possible. The real question then is how and in what cases
> should registered trademarks be omitted? Obviously there
> shouldn't be much of a problem for a Wikipedia article about a
> company, but it gets into grey areas when you get into a
> collection of articles that could be refered to by using a
> registered trademark, such as Ford mussle cars or kinds of SPAM.
> Obviously each Wikimedia project will end up having to deal with
> this issue independently on the fine points, but it wouldn't hurt
> to establish some general policy guidelines either. Any general
> assistance would be appreciated.
> --
> Robert Scott Horning
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