On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Ken… agreement before 6 Feb 2013? and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain the rationale here? Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the situation quite well. They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional chapter status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough about the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every situation.

Hi Mike, They have not yet incorporated and haven't signed a chapters agreement. They are not being encouraged to incorporate without being certain that they want to and are able to take on the responsibilities of running an organization (with the requirements to file government reports; have annual assemblies, etc.). Incorporation is not needed for recognition as a user group, although it is a possibility. It is a less formal way of association than that which is required for a chapter, but if a user group is stable and big enough conversion into a chapter is a possibility. Best regards, Bence On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk > > On 1 Mar 2013, at 23:22, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> > > On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> > > >> > >> Hi Asaf, > >> > >> I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at > >> > > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Ken… > >> > >> Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's > > agreement before 6 Feb 2013? > >> > >> I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to > incorporate > > and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you > > explain the rationale here? > > > > Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the > > situation quite well. > > > > They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional > chapter > > status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do > > are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough > about > > the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation > > were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every > > situation. > > Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email > into account. > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas Dalton &lt;thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: That's correct. And to Mike's second question: the group is not _barred_ from seeking recognition as a chapter once more. It can do so at any time. As things stand, though, the group does not meet AffCom's criteria for chapters, so if attempted right now, the group would not attain recognition. That fact, combined with the availability of the User Group model of affiliation, seems to suggest an easy low-commitment path for the Kenyan group to develop. As Bence pointed out, a successful Kenyan WUG could well be the basis for a future chapter. Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org

2013/3/1 Everton Zanella Alvarenga &lt;everton.alvarenga(a)okfn.org&gt; Hey Tom, I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were trying to say with this link? James

Tom, I'm sorry, but just sending another link doesn't expose your thoughts at all. Could you please spell out what you were trying to say? ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < everton137(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: