James
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rogol,
Here are a few thoughts:
1. I tend to think that WMF would need to worry about its legal protections
if WMF provided grants for content work. I am wondering if there is a way
to work around that difficulty by having a separate organization do the
fundraising.
2. A separate organization that raises funds could not only address COIN
but could provide financial support for other areas of community work that
WMF won't fund, such as other kinds of administrative work, and potentially
content development and translation.
3. However, I'm not sure that a new organization's funding and governance
could be made solid, reliable, and trustworthy. That's a difficult design
challenge.
I'd be interested in thoughts from Doc James and others about how to scale
up English Wikipedia's capacity to address COI issues.
A lot of problems would be solved if we could significantly increase our
numbers of highly skilled, good-faith Wikimedians. I believe that WMF is
starting to work on this problem again; I'd like to be optimistic but I
think that we should also plan for the possibility that these efforts will
be unsuccessful.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Pine
If the objects of the affiliate are compatible with those of the
Foundation, then you could ask for a grant. If they are not, why would
the
Foundation even consider letting you raise funds
on their sites.
"Rogol"
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF
affiliate put up
fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and
perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN
and
related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was
done by a separate
organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the
risks
to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for?
> > And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
>
> I would sure like to know this.
>
> I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically,
> hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.)
> without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a
> Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation
> funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the
> issue separately as in WikiEd?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > I find the slide
> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
> > 2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
> > > about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising"
> interesting
> > > as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
> > >
> > > We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
> > appears
> > > to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which
are
> > > mostly created through large
groups of sock accounts. They also are
> > > involved with adding SEO links.
> > >
> > > We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
> > interest/Noticeboard>,
> > > which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more
than
a
> > > hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject
> Spam.
> > >
> > > Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is,
such
as
> > what proportion of articles at NPP
appear paid for? And what
percentage
> of
> > socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all —
> >>
> >> Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are
publishing
> many
> >> more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during
cycle
> 3.
> >> There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know
Spain
> is
> >> consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about
our
> >> projects and community?), and I
encourage you to take a look. Here
are a
> >> few new updates:
> >>
> >> *New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better
understand
> > >> New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it
summarizes
our
> >> work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58
expert
> >> interviews, expert convenings
hosted by the Foundation and
affiliates,
> > >> design research findings, briefings on major trends that will
impact
the
> >> community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further
reading,
> > and
> > >> (of course!) references.
> > >>
> > >> *July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27
> > >> meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why
people
> do
> > >> (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on
high-awareness
>
>> countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
> >>
> >> *Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to
consider
> >> what we have heard from the
community and learned from research to
> identify
> >> what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our
first
> > >> draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
> > Wikimania.
> > >> We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
> > >>
> > >> *Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of
Wikimania,
the
> >> Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process
in
> > the
> > >> official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
> > engaging
> > >> with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open
from
> > >> Thursday through Sunday. The
Space will host different working
> sessions,
> > >> discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks
and
>
months
> >> (we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers
are
> > also
> > >> preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for
the
> > >> conference overall, so you
will be able to participate if you’re
not
> > able
> > >> to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended
July
> 31;
> > >> after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
> > >>
> > >> ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
> > >>
> > >> Katherine
> > >>
> > >> PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
> > Meta-Wiki.[6]
> > >>
> > >> [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > >> movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017)
> > >> [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > >> metrics_and_activities_meetings
> > >> [3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > >> movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group
> > >> [4]
https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030
> > >> [5]
https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
> > >> [6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > >> movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_
> > >> movement_strategy_process
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Katherine Maher
> > >>
> > >> Wikimedia Foundation
> > >> 149 New Montgomery Street
> > >> San Francisco, CA 94105
> > >>
> > >> +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885>
> > >> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873>
> > >> kmaher(a)wikimedia.org
> > >>
https://annual.wikimedia.org
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Heilman
> > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> > >
> > > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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