I think that this tool would be used only if there is a current case of
crosswiki-vandalism, and not because we don't like them. In a perfect world,
a community could opt out of course, but atm this is crisis management tools
:)
BR, Eia
2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>:
Two options:
* Add a "shut-off" for that block on the local wiki (like spam
whitelist) --> bad solution, more work for devs, tool probably won't get
implemented that way.
* Trust the stewards to do what they need to do, a block would not be used
for long, and it is only in cases of vandal bots or other extreme cases of
vandalism that stewards would intervene on. It is no different from the
current situtation (they sysop themselves on that wiki, block the user &
delete his mess), it's just easier on the stewards to do it this way.
On 9/9/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community
disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it?
On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-)
On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can imagine some better defenses against spambots, such as
> crosswiki-nuke
> and crosswiki-blocks :) (i.e. a steward could block for *all*
wikimedia
> > wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so
if
someone with coding abilities could take a look at it,
please :) See
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 .
Eia
2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> Ah, I see what you mean now. :-)
>
> On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before
anyone
> > brought it up. :)
> >
> > - White Cat
> >
> > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking
> > > themselves...
> > >
> > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev
blocks
> > are
> > > > not
> > > > > a
> > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and
blocking
> > open
> > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls
aimlessly" on
my
to
> > do
> > > > list
> > > > > if I were a dev.
> > > > >
> > > > > - White Cat
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in
dealing
> with
> > > > > these.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some
wikis such
as
the
> > > > Chinese
> > > > > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a
more
> > > centralized
> > > > > > block
> > > > > > > on open proxies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an
open
> > > proxy?
> > > > > How
> > > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal
script
to
> preform
> > > the
> > > > > task.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a
centralized
> > > meta
> > > > > page
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > open proxy blocks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - White Cat
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > This discussion is completely premature. Last I checked,
the
> > > 'Open
> > > > > > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state
of
> > > > ''policy''. What
> > > > > > > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not
have
a
> > > > consensus
> > > > > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies
or
what
type
> of
> > > > > block.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be
cross-wiki
> > > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would
stop
> > any
> > > > > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time.
(vandals
> > rarely
> > > > use
> > > > > > > the same proxy twice).
> > > > > > >
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