Kim Bruning wrote: It presumes bad faith to say that they claim fair use to escape deletion. Presuming good faith would put a motivation to improve the article first. How do you distinguish between a "correct" and an "incorrect" fair use claim. Ec

Ray Saintonge wrote: You have to use both context and quantity of usage for justification. Clearly it is better to obtain permission than to simply claim fair-use, and the bigger issue is really just fair use images. Fair-use text can be distinguished mainly as a short quote or merely used in reference, and the bulk of a page can't be fair-use from a single source. For both text and images courts do use how the content is competing against the original product (book, magazine, newspaper), with distribution formats that differ widely to be given a larger degree of lattitude. Reproducing a newspaper article in a book has been found to be legal by some courts, for instance. I wouldn't rely on that as ironclad protection, however, and it is a very grey area I would recommend that we stay away from on Wikimedia projects. As general project policy regarding fair use, I think it is best to not just stay strictly within the law, but steer clear of legal grey areas where possible that could still get our projects in trouble. With the extra trouble of trying to even find what might be fair-use, I completely understand projects like Commons that simply don't even want to allow it at all. Wikibooks doesn't even have a fair use policy yet, but this is perhaps something we need to consider on that project. Obviously Wikipedia opened a can of worms to even allow fair use at all. -- Robert Scott Horning

The current policy on it.wikipedia is to allow the fair use just for few specific cases * coat of arms, flags, seals, etc. of administrative entities, political authorities and institutions * coins, banknotes, stamps * company logos and trademarks * software screenshots the question whether to allow or not a broader usage of the fair use has been raised recently at the local Village Pump, but the major part of the community expressed the opinion to keep the current restrictions. My two cents, Bye all. G. (aka Paginazero)