On 4 April 2010 13:57, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: I think the letter makes some excellent points, but it is going to come across as precisely that since so few people seem to be signing it. The text shouldn't have been finalised until it was such that a large number of people would sign it. The current letter will probably be ignored - the board can't respond to every request from half a dozen Wikimedians. A less strongly worded letter that would have got dozens of signatures would have had a much greater impact. This has been a recurring feature of the response to Jimmy's actions on Wikiversity. A very large number of people aren't happy with what he did, but (as always) only those that feel particularly strongly about it are trying to do anything other than moan. What they are trying to do doesn't, however, take into account that general community opinion isn't as strong as their own opinion. For example, the proposal to strip Jimmy of all his powers was never going to have consensus. That should have been obvious to everyone from the outset, which means it should never had been proposed - it just creates drama. A more moderate proposal to limit Jimmy's powers and make him more accountable might have actually gone somewhere. Whenever you are thinking of proposing something you need to give serious thought to whether your proposal stands any chance of being adopted. If it doesn't, it is probably a bad idea of propose it (unless your goal is just to draw attention to a problem and you don't actually mean this proposal to be adopted, but that is a difficult method to make successful - the attention is too often drawn to you rather than the problem, and it isn't positive attention). You should try and come up with a compromise that stands a chance of being adopted.

On 4 April 2010 17:15, H <hillgentleman(a)gmail.com> wrote: We're talking about a "how to troll" project started by a troll banned from multiple other Wikimedia projects for trolling. If you're looking for a good example to support your stance, this isn't it. - d.

Hoi, You are posting to a mailing list. At that there is no such thing as answering only to someone in particular. David's argument is clear and I am happy with it. Thanks, GerardM On 4 April 2010 18:20, H <hillgentleman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

And actually his contribution to English Wikiversity is impressive: More than a half of his edits over there are related to this open letter, and only one edit (typo corrected) is a contribution to the Wikiversity core activities. Cheers Yaroslav