I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™ Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be used as an excuse for abusing other people. I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari desert, unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool! On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that > actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code > of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging > anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. > > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow > the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language > examples: > > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная > раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in > the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories. > > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), > defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as > a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is > geographically spread. > > Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia > articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* > "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific > race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have > warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad > thing.[3] > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic > racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take > action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea > that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or > at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, > should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this > content. > > Links > 1. >

> 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide > 3. >

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Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not

by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;) On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their > appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s. > > Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending > "scientific racism" on this public list? > > Fae > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>

> > > > I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, > > whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to

> > out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a > > GoodThing™ > > > > Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should

> > used as an excuse for abusing other people. > > > > I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari

> > unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool! > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles

> > > actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal

> > > of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging > > > anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. > > > > > > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you

> > > the multiple language links in each, you will find many other

> > > examples: > > > > > > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная > > > раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere

> > > the article is it explained that these are debunked racist

> > > > > > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), > > > defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents

> > > a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race

> > > geographically spread. > > > > > > Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia > > > articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* > > > "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current

> > > race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have > > > warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a

> > > thing.[3] > > > > > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic > > > racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take > > > action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The

> > > that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that > > > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in > > > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it

> > > at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, > > > should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting

> > > content. > > > > > > Links > > > 1. > > > >

> > > 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide > > > 3. > > > >

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hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain

Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of

human populations? Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to play on us? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Fæ &lt;faewik(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote > biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour. > > Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism. > > Fae > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt;

humans, > > > > whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy

> point > > > > out the differences. We should rather promote that differences

a > > > > GoodThing™ > > > > > > > > Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences

cool! > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ &lt;faewik(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia

> that > > > > > actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF

> code > > > > > of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of

> > > > > anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. > > > > > > > > > > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you > follow > > > > > the multiple language links in each, you will find many other > language > > > > > examples: > > > > > > > > > > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race"

Nowhere > in > > > > > the article is it explained that these are debunked racist > theories. > > > > > > > > > > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid"

> > > > > defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and

> it as > > > > > a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid

have > > > > > warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's

> bad > > > > > thing.[3] > > > > > > > > > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with

take > > > > > action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material.

it debunked, > > > > > should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is

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It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples: [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories. [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread. Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3] At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content. Links 1.

2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3.

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It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples: [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories. [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread. Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3] At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content. Links 1.

2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3.

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