Hoi,
When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on adding
more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be empowering
but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are
seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull
selected group of people have to offer?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future
of the
Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a
weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions
about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a
good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or
so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka
<cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement
upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference
in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of
the strategy process, for
example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations.
By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking
about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall
nature of the conference
for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to
the overall.
Best regards
Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
> While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
organizations
> that have it as their specific goal to
support those (Amical has been
doing
> that for Catalan for a long time, though),
this is not the case for most
> major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
> most are tied to a geography, rather than
other factors.
>
> Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have
always
> held off on calling the affiliates
'representative'. In this context it
> would even go a step further: it would make them *politically*
> representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing
> community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group
> that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that
likes
> to focus on a subset of topics that is not
the focus of most of the
> community.
>
> While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this
> does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
>
> If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have
to
> make affiliates more representative, or you
have to invite other people.
>
> I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal
is
> for this change, because I suspect his
proposed change of wording is not
> cutting it yet.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <jseddon(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not
> > representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and
advantages,
> > the affiliate model has become very
different.
> >
> > Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and
> > topics to varying degrees.
> >
> > In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language
> > representatives. There is a difference though between representative
in
> an
> > outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal
> > representative.
> >
> > The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates
gain
> > in their experience. Maybe the
conference should reflect the new roles
> and
> > responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
> >
> > Seddon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <michael(a)maggs.name>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose
has
> > > always been to discuss matters of
common interest to movement
> > > *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not
as
> > > representatives for any wider
groups such as speakers of a specific
> > > language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
> > chapters
> > > > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we
want
> > > > language communities to be
under the control of local chapters or
> user
> > > > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their
> > > > representatives if they must be represented.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Isaac.
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk"
<lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
> > always
> > > :)
> > > >
> > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
> > > organized
> > > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
> > movement.
> > > In
> > > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in
the
> > same
> > > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
> quite
> > a
> > > > unique situation because of the strategic process.
> > > >
> > > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
> > goal.
> > > If
> > > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
> > > structure
> > > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
invitation
> > for
> > > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from
the
> > > > Japanese community
wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
> > > >
> > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which
would
> > be
> > > to
> > > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
> could
> > be
> > > > input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
> where
> > > we
> > > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it
would
> > not
> > > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar
> > > > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
> > other
> > > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements
or
> > > project
> > > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
> developing
> > > > language communities in Africa or communities that are
> > > government-blocked -
> > > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This
would
> > > also
> > > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
> > what
> > > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
> > > >
> > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
> have
> > > in
> > > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to
deviate
> > > from
> > > > the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
> > > > though. That is, unless this
official line has changed.
> > > >
> > > > Warmly,
> > > > Lodewijk
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
> > > > cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
> > > >>
> > > >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
> > > > Conference
> > > >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should
be.
> > For
> > > > the
> > > >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
> to
> > > the
> > > >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the
> > > >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have
been.
> > > >>
> > > >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
> different
> > > >> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
> > > clear,
> > > >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
> solution
> > > that
> > > >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
> > > approach
> > > >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia
Conference
> > > 2018.
> > > >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
> year,
> > > this
> > > >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole
concept
> > of
> > > > the
> > > >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
> > > >>
> > > >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
> in
> > > the
> > > >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
> two
> > > >> representatives.
> > > >>
> > > >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m
happy
> to
> > > >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
> > transparent
> > > >> criteria.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Cornelius
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> > > jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, <
> > > >>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Of course, I meant:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24,
*2017* and
> will
> > > >> end
> > > >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thank you
> > > >>>> Cornelius
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> > > >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka"
<
> > > >>>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de>gt;:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
> > > > will
> > > >>>> take
> > > >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel
in
> > > >> Berlin-Neukölln
> > > >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains
information
about
> > > > the
> > > >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for
invited
> affiliates
> > > >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Program Themes ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the
Wikimedia
> > > >> Conference
> > > >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
> > > >>> Movement
> > > >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be
to answer
> the
> > > >>>> question
> > > >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic
direction", which means
> > > >>>> identifying the
> > > >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
> > > >>>> involves.
> > > >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized
part of
the
> > > >>>> movement in
> > > >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day
track on
> movement
> > > >>>> strategy.
> > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the
Wikimedia
> > > >> Foundation.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and
knowledge in
> > > > working
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the
conversation
at
> the
> > > >>> last
> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional
Wikimedia
> > > >> conferences,
> > > >>>> we aim
> > > >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations,
experience
> > > > sharing
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
> > > >>>> movement.
> > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the
Wikimedia
> > > >> Foundation’s
> > > >>>> Global
> > > >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships
& Development
> team
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia
Conference
> currently
> > > >> is
> > > >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing
among
Wikimedia
> > > >>>> affiliates.
> > > >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are
designed
> > > >>> according
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences.
This track
> will
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning
&
Evaluation
> > > >>> team,
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the
Wikimedia
> > > >> Conference
> > > >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with
the
Wikimedia
> > > >>>>> Foundation.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must
have
shown
> > > >> signs
> > > >>> of
> > > >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be
up-to-date on
> > > >> their
> > > >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15,
2017).
> > Moreover,
> > > >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by
the
> Wikimedia
> > > >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Participant number regulation ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may
send
two
> > > >>>>> delegates.
Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ
at
> > > >> least
> > > >>>> 0.5
> > > >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate
who is
a
> > > > paid
> > > >>>> staff
> > > >>>>> member.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by
numbers of
> > > > active
> > > >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not
represented by any
> > > >> affiliate,
> > > >>>> or
> > > >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it
was
> > > > recognized
> > > >>>> after
> > > >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities
without an
> > > >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the
Japanese,
> > > >> Vietnamese,
> > > >>>> Tamil,
> > > >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay,
Wikimedia
> Commons
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> Wikivoyage communities.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User
Group (for
the
> > > >>> Bengali
> > > >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the
Hindi
> > > >>>> community), Wikimedia
> > > >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay
community),
as
> > > >> well
> > > >>> as
> > > >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the
Wikimedia
> > > > Commons
> > > >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for
the
> Wikivoyage
> > > >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the
language
> > > >> communities
> > > >>>> (Japanese,
> > > >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision
finding
and
> > > >> making
> > > >>>> process
> > > >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the
conference,
need
> to
> > > >> be
> > > >>>> made in
> > > >>>>> the public (on-wiki).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Registration timeline ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24,
2018 and
will
> > > > end
> > > >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link
will be
> > > >> provided
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>>> Meta.[1]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration
process
or
> the
> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please
> > > >>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
> gmail&source=g
> > >
> > > >> do
> > > >>>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
> > > >>>>> wmcon(a)wikimedia.de.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Warm regards,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference team
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> > > >>>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> > > >>>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 |
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