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Katherine Maher

20 Oct 2017 20 Oct '17

9:10 p.m.

Hi all, I’m delighted to share that a final version of the Wikimedia movement's new strategic direction has been posted on Meta-Wiki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=10422143 The drafting group[1] bravely spent several weeks reading, considering, and (when possible) responding to the comments posted about the previous drafts. Attempting to capture and synthesize the aspirations and opinions of a global movement based on hundreds of offline and online conversations is no easy task. Please join me in thanking them not only for taking on this formidable process, but for helping develop something I believe we can all be proud of. I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual and entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual contributors and organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our movement. I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this direction and determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will find more information about the endorsement day and the process on the direction’s meta page next week. The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are currently drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will be to answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on Meta. Take a look! [2] On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office space at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on staff who was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for your patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are more settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new space on the Wikimedia Blog. Stay tuned! መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), Katherine [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/People/Dra… [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters

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Ziko van Dijk

20 Oct 20 Oct

11:02 p.m.

2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

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I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual and entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about.

Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the community. I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: - Appendix <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: More information about the process, research, and findings that led to this outcome. - A report of findings <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Findings> is being written and many references on this page will be updated to point to its content. Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will people who endorse the document also endorse them? Kind regards, Ziko

...

Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual contributors and organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our movement. I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this direction and determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will find more information about the endorsement day and the process on the direction’s meta page next week. The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are currently drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will be to answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on Meta. Take a look! [2] On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office space at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on staff who was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for your patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are more settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new space on the Wikimedia Blog. Stay tuned! መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), Katherine [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Nicole Ebber

11:52 p.m.

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2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual

and

entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about.

Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the community. I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: - Appendix <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: More information about the process, research, and findings that led to this outcome. - A report of findings <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Findings> is being written and many references on this page will be updated to point to its content. Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will people who endorse the document also endorse them? Kind regards, Ziko

Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual contributors

and

organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our

movement.

I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this direction

and

determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will find more information about the endorsement day and the process on the direction’s meta page next week. The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are currently drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will be

answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the activities

involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on

Meta.

Take a look! [2] On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office space at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on staff

who

was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for your patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are

settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new space on the Wikimedia Blog. Stay tuned! መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), Katherine [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Ziko van Dijk

21 Oct 21 Oct

12:20 p.m.

Hello Nicole, Thank you. I just wonder - if the rest is presented this way, people might think that it belongs to the direction, and what the relationship between both is. And I'm afraid, that later the Foundation will claim that the rest is important or an important (authoritative) interpretation that will influence the following discussions. There will be confusion what exactly is endorsed an can be used (abused) in those following discussions. For example, I am very concerned that the "oral traditions" are still in the game, especially as Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go this way. Kind regards Ziko 2017-10-21 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>de>:

...

2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual

and

entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about.

Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the community. I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: - Appendix <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: More information about the process, research, and findings that led to this outcome. - A report of findings <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Findings> is being written and many references on this page will be updated to point to its content. Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will

people

who endorse the document also endorse them? Kind regards, Ziko

Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual contributors

and

organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our

movement.

I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this direction

and > determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will

find

> more information about the endorsement day and the process on the > direction’s meta page next week. > > The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are currently > drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will

to > answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction",

which

> means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the

activities

involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on

Meta. > Take a look! [2] > > On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office

space

at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on staff

who

was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for your patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are

more > settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new

space

on the Wikimedia Blog. Stay tuned! መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), Katherine [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland

4:14 p.m.

Hi Ziko, Just a quick reaction to the last sentence of your message where you express your concern about oral traditions as a source and say 'Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go this way.' To some, this could give the impression that Guillaume is responsible for what went in the text and what did not. As Katherine mentioned in her message, drafting the strategic direction was a group process. (FYI, I was part of that group) Guillaume had the unenviable task of making sense of all the suggestions, input and comments, and produce meaningful and readable text. Frankly, I don't know anyone who could have done that job better. So, it is not so much that 'Guillaume still wants to go this way', but rather 'the drafting group believes the movement-wide consultation points this way.' I understand your concerns - and I know that they come from your deep commitment to the quality and the reliability of the Wikimedia projects. Your comments have already started some interesting discussions - on this list and in other places - about how oral traditions/sources could and should be used in a responsible way. Best regards, Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland 2017-10-21 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Hi Ziko, Quick response regarding the endorsement: We will ask people to only endorse the strategic direction in the green box and the short section underneath with the next steps. Hope that helps. Best regards, Nicole On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>rg>: > > > > > I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every

individual

> and > > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > > > > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in

which

> ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the > community. > > I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: > > - Appendix > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: > More information about the process, research, and findings that led

this outcome. - A report of findings <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Findings> is being written and many references on this page will be updated to point to its content. Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will

people > who endorse the document also endorse them? > > Kind regards, > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual

contributors

> and > > organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our > movement. > > I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this

direction

and > determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will

find > > more information about the endorsement day and the process on the > > direction’s meta page next week. > > > > The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are

currently

> drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will

to > answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction",

which

> means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the

activities

involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on

Meta. > Take a look! [2] > > On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office

space > > at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on

staff

> who > > was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for

your

patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are

more > settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new

space > > on the Wikimedia Blog. > > > > Stay tuned! > > > > መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), > > > > Katherine > > > > [1] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_

headquarters

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Ziko van Dijk

5:33 p.m.

Hello Sandra, Thank you for your mail. For me, this is not specifically about Guillaume. I referred to him as he has answered to me about "oral traditions", supporting them. I know that the way to this text was a long one; I have read papers on this way and was appalled. Now I find it difficult not to believe that this is a slippery slope. Kind regards, Ziko 2017-10-21 18:14 GMT+02:00 Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland < rientjes(a)wikimedia.nl>gt;:

...

Hello Nicole, Thank you. I just wonder - if the rest is presented this way, people

might

think that it belongs to the direction, and what the relationship between both is. And I'm afraid, that later the Foundation will claim that the

rest

is important or an important (authoritative) interpretation that will influence the following discussions. There will be confusion what exactly is endorsed an can be used (abused) in those following discussions. For example, I am very concerned that the "oral traditions" are still in the game, especially as Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go

this

way. Kind regards Ziko 2017-10-21 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>de>:

individual

> and > > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > > > > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in

which > > ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the > > community. > > > > I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: > > > > - Appendix > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: > > More information about the process, research, and findings that

led

to > > this > > outcome. > > - A report of findings > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > movement/2017/Findings> > > is being written and many references on this page will be updated

point to its content. Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will

people > who endorse the document also endorse them? > > Kind regards, > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual

contributors

> and > > organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our > movement. > > I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this

direction

and > determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will

find > > more information about the endorsement day and the process on the > > direction’s meta page next week. > > > > The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are

currently > > > drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2

will

> be > > to > > > answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", > which > > > means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the > activities > > it > > > involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed

Meta. > Take a look! [2] > > On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office

space > > at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on

staff

> who > > was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for

your > > > patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we

are

> > more > > > settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new > space > > > on the Wikimedia Blog. > > > > > > Stay tuned! > > > > > > መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > [1] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_

planning

> > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_

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