Datum: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:10:08 -0800
Von: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
If you
introduce the world's best, brand new search engine open source
tech project tomorrow, that's more useful and open than Google, you're
going to have a hard time managing the growth, by any standards,...
To amplfy Gerard's comment, the "vision" has to include a business
plan and some operational clue.
Absolutely! We can't be everything for everybody. But a more
sophisticated internal search function would still be nice.
Hi
as I understand the mails till now right, we need not necessarily a businessplan for the
so called "peerpedia"-plan, wikiasari need this busninessplan maybe, but a
projectplan with costs for the foundation would do for peerdedia, the p2p open source
search with
yacy.net
The discussion is hot, you see google advertising its toolbar, see
yacysearch.com
interest, and wikiseek appearing just in time and a lot of mediahype aboot wikia´s search
plans, though there are none published.
The Peerpedia domian is pre-registered form the other side and the yacy forum was hacked.
I guess there are a lot of people against this project to be develop by the foundation.
But this leads to a just do it now though principle.
Anyway, the need for a p2p open source engine is here and it fits the wikipedia /
wikimedia foundation´s mission perfectly.
What do we need to support the p2p yacy network "peerpedia" from the foundation
side?
1. leader of foundation and leader of agree in a round table meeting to join a project or
not, as suggestred by Tom.
2. Wikia then can choose to use yacy code or not, if yes, then it will contribute
peerpedia, if the wikifoundation supports this in an own project as well.
3. Peerpedia project starts.
4. A project team is built. I guess the Thread-reply-persons on this list are interested
to joint and coach the project.
5. Wikimedia needs at least some simple desktop PC with high RAM-Memory to index the
wikipedia sites.
6. We need a project page, best would be a wiki, to announce and drwa the plot.
7. The wikimedia foundation servers index with yacy the wikipedia content.
9. We need more servers to index the web and ask lokal communities and foundation members
to run as well servers.
10. If the servers run, the wikipedia is indexed and as webcontent-indexing starts, we
make a search portal of the local yacy on each wikipedia site, which means a search box
under the existing searchbox.
11. We ask users for feedback about the searchbox.internal (lucene) and the searchbox for
external webcontent (yacy)
12. There is a roll-out then, that each wikipedia language server has a local database of
the webcrwaler yacy.
13. We develop with the yacy developers a firefox-toolbar, which already exists, for human
rating of urls: ++ / + / - / -.- .
14. Users can search and run a yacy node with this peerpedia search toolbar in the
firefox. as well a wikipedia search could be done. (here as well an option for wikiasari
exists, to be integrated in the toolbar).
Cooperation with firefox... etc..etc.
Then you just have to see, how the project grows.
But what is needed is a letter of intent of both, Jim from wikia and
Florence Nibart-Devouard (chair)
Jan-Bart de Vreede (vize)
Brad Patrick (interim Executive Director)
Brion Vibber (techniocal director)
maybe those 4 could reply here on the list about their interest or competence to negotiate
a peerpedia search box for the wikipedia servers.
Michael Davis (treasurer) then could to a plan, how many money we could spent on servers
for 50 yacy servers indexing the wikipedia and web.
/Till
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