On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
cimonavaro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't consider Moeller the main proponent of the
current
proposal in any meaningful way; except in the very narrow
sense that Moeller is admirably acting to employ "the art
of the possible", and therefore is doing the work of moving
the compromise, that happens to be most viable, forward.
I highly doubt you're correct, but moreover I find it astonishing that you
find it admirable to undermine one's own core beliefs.
I think it isn't public knowledge what Erik's full personal
feelings on the current proposal are, as it is under
vote.
I'm assuming good faith that Erik wouldn't work so hard to push for a
proposal he doesn't support. But I guess you find such behavior admirable,
while I'd find it despicable, so I guess we've reached an impasse.
The proposal contains much more than just a switch to
CC-BY-SA, it also
includes language interpreting CC-BY-SA in a way
which indisputably
changes
the form of attribution required.
I don't think the word "indisputably" means what you think it does.
Even if I agree on a very broad level that the phrasing is mildly
confusing to our re-users, and certainly not ideal, I think there have
been arguments defending the view that there isn't a change of form
for attribution which goes beyond what the license allows. I am not
convinced that those defensive arguments are wholly safe in the
absolute, but this does not mean I don't accept that others may think
differently.
Once again you're trying to argue a belief which you yourself do not hold.
In this case it's a quite clearly absurd belief, though. If the move
changes nothing, why make it? I guess someone might dispute what I said by
changing the meaning of the word "attribution", but I don't consider that a
dispute in substance.
In any case, this proposal certainly *will* undermine the individual right
to attribution held by individual contributors, so anyone who supports that
right *should* vote against the proposal or refuse to vote at all. If you
want to nitpick whether or not this is indisputable, fine, I'll let you have
your way. But indisputable or not, it is a true fact.