On 10/18/06, P. Birken <pbirken(a)gmail.com> wrote: As I understand it, the proposal is to default-check the first checkbox (block anonymous users only). Account creation would continue to be prevented by default. -- Peace & Love, Erik Member, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise stated, all views or opinions expressed in this message are solely my own and do not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:13:21 +0200 "P. Birken" <pbirken(a)gmail.com> wrote: I believe the perspective you present is somewhat constricted as we ought to take into account that a lot of these "vandals" having been introduced to Wikipedia in the confining and not often inspiring environment of school in many cases will come back to us of their own volition to contribute with something valuable. Perhaps therefore the nuisance is outweighed when the bigger picture is considered. Since this connection isn't easily spotted or documented (and hence not acknowledged), it would be easy to adopt a preventive practice such as you advocate, however, we might not in the end be better off for it. Halvor (User:meco) -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability

2006/10/18, meta.sj(a)gmail.com <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>om>: Really? I consider the theory that people who write I FUCKED YOUR MAMA! into articles might turn into brilliant contributors one day, because we let them do it to be not so well thought out. Cheers, Philipp

Sean Whitton schreef: When the new blocking options where created user w:en:user:Lupin posted some javascript to change the default blocking options. I suppose that will still work when the default options are changed. So users or wikis can override the default options if the wish to do so. See; http://en.wikizine.org/2006/07/wikizine-number-34_17.html -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

As I understand it it is also possible to set the standard locally different, so why changing it globally? I think it would be best if the communities make these decisions themselves and define it in their monobook. But one way or another, I think it is very important that it is easy for another sysop to see in the log how the block was performed. Is it possible that an additional note will be added to the blocklog and the blocklist, telling what type of block was performed? (with or without blocking logged in users, with or without blocking accountcreation) I think that is very important, as we are having a lot of problems with that when people come complain through OTRS for instance. Effeietsanders 2006/10/19, Sean Whitton <sean(a)silentflame.com>om>:

Brion Vibber wrote: It's not present on the blocklog, but is present on the blocklist. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP