> asaf, you are one of the most respected dinosaurs in this universe,

Which species of dinosaur?

When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it all out: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news to the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw.

When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it all out: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news to the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw. On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Asaf Bartov &lt;abartov(a)wikimedia.org <javascript:;>> wrote: very ?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> ?subject=unsubscribe>

It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r Translating between languages are fun! =) John 13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" &lt;jane023(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: … The only disrespectful thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it all out: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

There are words in other languages that have a rude, upleasant, disrespectful or pejorative meaning in British English. For an amusing list of examples, see the Oxford Dictionary blog at http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/02/words-that-sound-rude/ I presume that I'm entitled to be complain when they are used in email list exchanges, even when those exchanges are being conducted primarily in those other languages? Returning now to the subject of the thread, I have no problem with Gerard's posts, even if I have not always found them easy to understand, and see no special reason to restrict his access to this list. On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Florence Devouard &lt;fdevouard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: WWII https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:56 AM Asaf Bartov &lt;abartov(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: \ > It's okay that some people disagree with this moderation action (others > agree, even if they do not say so on-list). This list is not moderated by > whole-list-consensus.

> Gerard will be unmoderated on March 1st. As always, he is (and other > moderated users are) welcome to submit posts to the list before then, and > if the posts are respectful and on-topic, they would be let through.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:20 AM Trillium Corsage &lt;trillium2014(a)yandex.com&gt; wrote: Not on my watch. I have no access to past conversations so cannot comment on the conversation you say you have had with list admins in the past, but I will state for the record that I think grammatical imperfections (real or perceived) are absolutely not an acceptable reason to withhold a message from the list. The vast majority of subscribers are not native speakers of English, and even if they were, language snobbery is an anti-pattern for constructive communication. Re trolling, I am personally very wary of applying that label, and lean toward avoiding it in all but the most extreme cases. Neither a favorable opinion of the WIkimedia Foundation, nor a real-world identity, are a prerequisite for posting on this list. It is perfectly acceptable and on-topic to question or criticize the Wikimedia Foundation on this list, so long as one adheres to basic rules of discourse: remaining civil, concise, on-topic, and respectful in the face of disagreement; avoiding repetition, aggression, and irrelevant hobby-horses; etc. A. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>