The following mail to the mailinglist of
the german chapter
is subject to far-right-wing censorship:
Damit Landserheft-Foto-Verbreiter
(
http://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Datei:Der_Landser.JPG)
im geschmackvollen Hellbraunhemd
(
http://tinyurl.com/hellbraunes-hemd*)*
wie RalfR. in der Wikipedia freie Bahn
haben?
Ich habe in der Wikipedia geschrieben,
bevor
RalfR. da war und werde dort
schreiben, wenn
RalfR. und seine Gesinnungsfreunde
schon weg sind.
Thomas7 Sieben.
http://thomas7.netau.net/
Am 27.06.2012 , fragte RalfR.:
Hat dich jemand nach deiner Meinung
gefragt?
und forderte:
> Bitte diesen Account von der ML löschen.
My first account in the meta-wikipedia
Thomas7 was blocked
by the far-right-wing member of the
"schlagende verbindung"
FrankS, responsible for the foundations
Outreach-Program, which is itself
a scandal. The german community is
object of a group of people,
mobbing liberal and left-liberals out of
the project, so the thanks-deserving
Brummfus...
Thomas7
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (Marc A. Pelletier)
2. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (Andreas Kolbe)
3. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
4. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (David Richfield)
5. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
6. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (David Richfield)
7. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
8. O'Dwyer (Andreas Kolbe)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:05:43 -0400
From: "Marc A. Pelletier"<marc(a)uberbox.org>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim
Bruning<kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote:
The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain
neutrality.
Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of
difference?
I'm pretty sure it had an effect; if only that of increased media
coverage (Wikipedia's visible action did focus much of the coverage).
To me, at least, it seems evident that the backlash against SOPA was
stoked by that media coverage.
So yes, I'm pretty sure it did make a difference.
-- Coren / Marc
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:03:53 +0100
From: Andreas Kolbe<jayen466(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Theo10011<de10011(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So, a chain of events during a 4 month period can
not be incidental. What
you neglect to mention that there was an annual fundraiser during the end
of the year, this was not the first grant Google made to Wikimedia, in
fact, it might not even be the second, they donated in the past fundraisers
as well, larger amounts I believe. I am thinking of the 2
Million received from Google in 2010.
I know Google gave 2 million in 2010, though I am unsure whether that makes
Google influence less or more likely.
To recap, posters here said that what happened to TV Tropes ? i.e. Google
influencing their content decisions ? couldn't happen to Wikipedia. That
seems rather blue-eyed.
Now, far be it for me to defend Jimmy, but the
central assumption in your
polemic is, that jimmy is devoid of caring about any social issues, issues
that might even affect the identity he has created. He would have to be
paid in order to care, if not Google than someone else paying him off to
care, can't it just be that he believes in something? even if there is
a perceived threat? I know it might be hard to believe, but people have
been known to care about legislation and larger social issues from time to
time, and use the platform they have.
I'm sure Jimmy would not have been a friend of SOPA, regardless of what
Google thought. But I was truly surprised to see Wikipedia jettison its
"holy of holies" ? NPOV ? in a poll inviting participation from IPs and
SPAs, and becoming a political actor. Whether the money greased the wheels
or not, it was the sell-out of a principle many had signed up for.
Scott put it rather well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scott_MacDonald
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:08:53 +0100
From: David Gerard<dgerard(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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On 27 June 2012 05:59, geni<geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas
Kolbe<jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I was actually thinking of the board, or just
Jimbo himself, rather than
any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google
wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they
have had personal contact with.
The problem with your theory is that firstly it
assumes a level of
control that those people don't have and secondly that you are
forgetting that Google is a PLC.
It's already been established that Wikimedia conspires directly with
Rupert Murdoch's news organisation:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061602.html
- so in comparison, Andreas' claims are *relatively* sane.
- d.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:02:36 +0200
From: David Richfield<davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a
long time. Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?fr…
- it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
according to Google's terms.
With that said, it does make a great case for why Wikimedia should
remain independent: we have enough to do to ensure the quality of our
project without also worrying about whether we'll irritate Google.
[[:en:User:Slashme]]
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:10:12 +0100
From: David Gerard<dgerard(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield<davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This must be the most misleading mailing list
title I've seen in a
long time. ?Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?fr…
- it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
according to Google's terms.
This is pretty much completely wrong, as you'd know if you'd read the
links at the beginning. The pages were already marked "don't put ads
here". Google objected to their presence on the site at all. The pages
were removed, the internet said "wtf" and TVtropes has now restored
them without hearing back from Google.
- d.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:30:26 +0200
From: David Richfield<davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
title under advertising pressure.
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM, David Gerard<dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 June 2012 16:02, David
Richfield<davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This must be the most misleading mailing list
title I've seen in a
long time. ?Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?fr…
- it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
according to Google's terms.
This is pretty much completely wrong, as you'd know if you'd read the
links at the beginning. The pages were already marked "don't put ads
here". Google objected to their presence on the site at all. The pages
were removed, the internet said "wtf" and TVtropes has now restored
them without hearing back from Google.
Wow, they moved fast! I read the blog post
and then went to check,
and found the supposedly deleted articles up, less than a full day
after the original mailing list email, so I assumed there had to be
some mistake. How long were the articles actually deleted?
