By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main project into its own space. News by it's nature is far more verbose then encyclopedic material. News inundates you constantly, while encyclopedic material is more placid and stable. News should be far more material. And yet the English Wikinews has only 15 thousand articles. So something seriously went wrong in that approach. It simply did not capture the attention of any significant part of the core community. It's a bit silly to talk about three thousand links, when we have over three million articles. So that's one tenth of one percent? In terms of news outlets, our own news outlet gets a trivial number of links compared to others. And it's ours! That's my point. That's what I consider failing. Crawling along with your tongue out in the desert, while the nearest water is 20 miles away. Better to re-focus attention on those projects which are successful, than have ten non-successful projects dragging off any resources at all. Will