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Steven Walling

15 Nov 2016 15 Nov '16

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Amir Ladsgroup

15 Nov 15 Nov

6:41 a.m.

One rather unrelated thing: if you buy from smile.amazon.com, Amazon donates 0.5% of your purchase to a non-profit foundations of your choice. WMF is there and I chose it as mine. Maybe we can lobby and ask them to put it on top of the suggestions. Best On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:42 AM Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey all, Today Apple announced a bunch of 501(c)3 partners which now can use Apple Pay to make instant donations. Announcement at: http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/11/a-touch-of-giving-with-apple-pay.html Does WMF fundraising have plans to integrate with Apple Pay, especially on mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and the team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which is great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Antoine Musso

12:06 p.m.

On 15/11/16 02:12, Steven Walling wrote: <snip>

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Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.

Lisa Gruwell

3:57 p.m.

Hi Steven- Yes, we are excited about Apple Pay's new ability to accept donations. It is on our product roadmap, but we are not certain yet when we will be rolling it out. And thanks, Amir, for selecting us for Amazon Smile! Best, Lisa Gruwell On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr> wrote:

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On 15/11/16 02:12, Steven Walling wrote: <snip>

Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.

Hello, Going out of topic sorry. Regarding mobile and desktop traffic declining, according to https://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ * Overall page views is about the same since 2013. * Mobile traffic quickly raised until reaching a plateau in 2015. Surely one can say that traffic shifted to mobile, but for the last two years the desktop/mobile ratio seems fairly stable. The Fundraising team might have some data regarding donations made through desktop vs mobile and their evolution though. Maybe mobile has a better engagement rate, then the mobile app is only a drop of our traffic. -- Antoine "hashar" Musso _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Steven Walling

4:48 p.m.

Thanks Lisa! On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:57 AM Lisa Gruwell <lgruwell(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On 15/11/16 02:12, Steven Walling wrote: <snip>

Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.

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desktop vs mobile and their evolution though. Maybe mobile has a better engagement rate, then the mobile app is only a drop of our traffic. -- Antoine "hashar" Musso _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Tilman Bayer

8:51 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr> wrote:

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On 15/11/16 02:12, Steven Walling wrote: <snip>

Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.

As indicated - in small print - on that page, it uses two incompatible pageview definitions for the time before and after May 2015. Hence it should not be relied upon for such a trend analysis. See instead (for example) https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AReading_and_Comm_Tec…

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Surely one can say that traffic shifted to mobile, but for the last two years the desktop/mobile ratio seems fairly stable.

Not quite, the ratio still decreased during that time (or conversely, the mobile percentage increased); although it is true that it did so less rapidly than in previous years, and also intermittently moved into the other direction. See the above link or for more detail https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_daily_pageviews,_mobile_p… -- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB

rupert THURNER

16 Nov 16 Nov

7:06 a.m.

Apple takes their usual 30 % on such donations ? On Nov 15, 2016 02:12, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey all, Today Apple announced a bunch of 501(c)3 partners which now can use Apple Pay to make instant donations. Announcement at: http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/11/a-touch-of-giving- with-apple-pay.html Does WMF fundraising have plans to integrate with Apple Pay, especially on mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and the team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which is great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Kevin Payravi

8:02 a.m.

Hi Rupert, The 30% you're referring to is the cut Apple takes for in-app purchases. Apple Pay is a different platform; neither consumer, merchant, or in this case, donor and receiver, are charged a fee. Kevin Payravi W: www.kevinpayravi.com E: kevinpayravi(a)gmail.com P: (330) 554 - 3397 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:06 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Apple takes their usual 30 % on such donations ? On Nov 15, 2016 02:12, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and

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team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which is great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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rupert THURNER

9:14 a.m.

Ah, I saw https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pay now, which says it takes a part of the credit card fees, 0.15 % in the US. Lower in the European Union as fees for credit cards must be lower than 0.3 %. This would mean a normal credit card payment fee applies, isn't it? Rupert On Nov 16, 2016 09:11, "Kevin Payravi" <kevinpayravi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Apple takes their usual 30 % on such donations ? On Nov 15, 2016 02:12, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>

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> Hey all, > > Today Apple announced a bunch of 501(c)3 partners which now can use

Apple

Pay to make instant donations. Announcement at: http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/11/a-touch-of-giving- with-apple-pay.html Does WMF fundraising have plans to integrate with Apple Pay, especially

mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and

the > team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which

great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an interesting pilot to explore nonetheless. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Amir Ladsgroup
Antoine Musso
Kevin Payravi
Lisa Gruwell
rupert THURNER
Steven Walling
Tilman Bayer