From: Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 6:26 PM On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: even possible to set one standard of what it means to be 'collegial' and 'collaborative' for all cultures? These things are not absolute values and each community needs to work out what standards are most pragmatic for it's members. Well, we do have a few universal values shared across projects -- including those which were made concrete when community members hashed out the foundation mission and vision statements.  But it's not clear in which community it is appropriate to discuss those... [certainly many people are now expected to abide by the global standards set forth in the language of those statements who were active editors a few years ago and did not take part in the discussions about how to word them]

solve this for en.WP.  en.WP has to do the work and find these answers from within. I didn't quite read PM's mail as an appeal to authority -- more as an appeal to "make more concrete decisions", by someone who is used to such decisions coming down from on high.  It is hard to be Bold and 'find answers from within' when that's not how you are used to problemsolving.