Hoi,
I so agree but when it is quality that is to be achieved let it be a
guidance that helps us to achieve quality.
Wikidata should bring things together. I do not aim to achieve the quality
as described because it fails in achieving things that are actionable and
have a measurable effect on the quality of Wikidat as being complimentary
to Wikipedia.
Arguably the quality that Wikidata brings is not realised because of
Wikidata items are considered in the same way as articles. They are not.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 March 2017 at 13:06, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
wrote:
Having guidance on quality helps people learning about
Wikidata understand
what they should be aiming for.
The paper on vandalism detection in Wikidata sounds interesting, where can
I find it?
Richard
On 17 March 2017 at 09:09, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
I noticed the notion about "quality in Wikidata". The approach is very
much
in line with what is the norm in Wikipedia. This
is inot the right
approach
for Wikidata. Many of the items in Wikidata can
be of high "quality"; ie
the statements have a source and there are enough labels but the true
value
of these items are in the use of these items as
statements in other
items..
(for instance a university indicates that someone
studied there).
Another
quality point is that for authors a VIAF
statements allows for the
linking
in Wikipedias in external sources. This is of a
high importance, it makes
Wikidata useful and, if that is not of a quality consideration what is?
One other aspect of Wikidata is that it is still highly immature. Just
consider the statistics for labels and statements [1] . This is only the
first month where less than 10% of our items have no statement.. We talk
about quality but quality should have a practical meaning. Just saying
this
or that item is so good, it makes for stamp
collecting. The point of a
stamp is not to collect them it is to send mail. Quality means that we
know
how many articles have been written in one or
more editathons. It is in
finding for a collection of items that it is better known what award,
schooling has been achieved by the people that was written for. It is in
using Wikidata to indicate what categories could be in what Wikipedia
article.
Quality needs to be actionable. What is the use of static quality?
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php?reverse
On 17 March 2017 at 02:19, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Sharing some good news, both about the progress of ORES and (my primary
> inspiration for sharing this email) significant improvements in article
> quality thanks to WikiProject Women scientists. The latter has been
> designated as the Keilana Effect.
>
> Pine
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfaker(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] The Revision Scoring weekly update
> To: Application of Artificial Intelligence and other advanced computing
> strategies to Wikimedia Projects <ai(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: wikitech-l <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> Hey folks!
>
> I should really stop calling this a weekly update because it's getting
a
> bit silly at this point. :) But if it
were a weekly update, it would
> cover the weeks of 42 - 46.
>
> *Highlights:*
>
> - 3 new models: Finnish Wikipedia (reverted) and Estonian Wikipedia
> (damaging & goodfaith)
>
>
> - We estimated and agreed on funding for ORES servers in the next
year
with
Operations
- We published a paper about vandalism detection in Wikidata and a
blog
> post about the massive effect of some initiatives on coverage of
Women
Scientists in Wikipedia.
*New development:*
- We added recall-based threshold metrics to the new draftquality
model
> which should help tool devs know what which new page creations to
> highlight
> for review[1]
>
>
> - We added optional notices for ORES pages which will help us
visually
> distinguish our experimental install in
WMFlabs from the Prod
install
(
> ores.wikimedia.org)[2]
>
>
> - We added basic language support for Finish (Thanks 4shadoww)[3]
and
> deployed a 'reverted' model[4]
>
>
> - We lead a discussion in Wikidata about "item quality" that
resulted
in
> a Wikipedia 1.0 like scale for Wikidata quality[5,6] and designed a
> Wikilabels form to capture the gist of it[7]
>
>
> - We enabled the ORES Review Tool on Czech Wikipedia[8]
>
>
> - We configured ChangeProp to use our new minified JSON output to
save
bandwidth[9]
- We extended the Estonian language assets (Thanks Cumbril)[10] and
deployed the 'damaging' and 'goodfaith' models[11,12]
- We enabled a testing model for 'goodfaith' on the Beta Cluster to
make
it easier for the Collaboration team to run
tests with their new
filter
> interface[13]
>
>
> - We created a new "precache" endpoint that will allow us to
> de-duplicate configuration with ChangeProp and handle all routing in
> ORES
> locally[14]
>
>
> *Resourcing:*
>
> - We completed a 2 year estimate of ORES resource needs and
discussed
> funding (capital expendature) for ORES in
the coming fiscal
year[15].
> This
> will allow us to continue to grow ORES both in number of models and
in
> scoring capacity.
>
>
> *Communications:*
>
> - Amir improved the KDD paper based on review feedback[16] and got
it
> published[17]
>
>
> - We published a blob post about our measurements of WikiProject
Women
Scientists[18,19] -- "The Keilana Effect"
- Thanks to Cumbril's work, the Estonian labeling campaing was
finished[20]
*Deployments:*
- In early February, we deployed a new set of translations to
Wikilabels
> (specifcally targeting Romanian Wikipedia)[21]
>
>
> - In mid-February, we deployed some fixes to ORES documentation and
> response formatting[22]
>
>
> - In mid-March, we deployed 3 new scoring models and ORES
notices[23]
>
>
> *Maintenance and robustness:*
>
> - We fixed a serious issue in the "mwoauth" library that Wikilabels
> depends on[24]
>
>
> - We reduced the number of revisions per request that we could
receive
via
api.php[25]
- We investigated a scap issue that broke ORES deployment[26]
- We fixed a minor issue with JSON minification behavior[27] and
hard-coding of the location of ORES in the documentation[28]
- We improved performance of ORES filters on MediaWiki[29]
- We improved the language describing ORES behavior on
Special:Contributions[30]
- We added a notice to the Wikipages that Dexbot maintains about its
behavior[31]
- We added notices to
ores.wmflabs.org about it's experimental
nature[32]
- We fixed some issues with testing Finnish language assets[33]
- We fixed some styling issues that resulted from an upgrade of OOJS
UI[34]
1.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157454 -- Add recall based
thresholds
to draftquality model
2.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150962 -- Add an optional notice
to
> ORES main and ui pages
> 3.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158587 -- Add language support
for
form
> for Wikidata
> 8.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151611 -- Enable ORES Review
Tool
on
> Czech Wikipedia
> 9.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157693 -- Use minified JSON
format
language
> assets from Wiki page
> 11.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159608 -- Train/test
> damaging/goodfaith models for etwiki
> 12.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130280 -- Deploy edit quality
> models
> for etwiki
> 13.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160467 -- Enable 'goodfaith' on
> testwiki on Beta Cluster
> 14.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148714 -- Create generalized
> "precache" endpoint for ORES
> 15.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157222 -- Estimate ORES capex
for
ORES
> 23.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160279 -- Deploy ores in prod
> (Mid-March)
> 24.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157858 -- mwoauth is broken
> 25.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157983 -- Reduce the number of
> revisions that can be requested in one batch
> 26.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157623 -- Investigate failed
ORES
JSON
minification behavior in production
28.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157723 -- ORES swagger is
hard-coded
for wmflabs
29.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152585 -- rcshow=oresreview is
slow
> 30.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158862 -- Fix message in
> Special:Contributions
> 31.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158899 -- Add notice about
Dexbot
overwriting manual changes to our tracking table.
32.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159055 -- Add a notice to
ores-wmflabs-deploy about "experimental" nature
33.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160192 -- Fix testing issues in
finnish language assets
34.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160258 -- Fix minor styling
issues
with OOJS-UI in wikilabels
Sincerely,
Aaron from the Scoring Platform team
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