Hi all,
Today Wikimedia Foundation Exec. Director Sue Gardner will be in this
week's installment of IRC office hours at 23:00 UTC. As usual, the
format is completely open, so bring any burning questions you might have
to the #wikimedia-office channel on irc.freenode.net. Local times and
instructions for accessing the chat, including for those without an IRC
client, can be found on Meta at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours. The log of the
discussion will be publicly posted on that page afterwards for those
cannot attend.
Many thanks,
--
Steven Walling
Wikimedia Foundation Fellow
(wikimediafoundation.org)
In a message dated 10/25/2010 2:12:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wiki-list(a)phizz.demon.co.uk writes:
> Superb. I was wondering when someone would actually say this. It is the
> point I made right at the beginning of all of this. That the drug pages
> should not be reflecting some controversy. >>
Nice way to twist what was said.
I'm very glad that we report drug controversy. It shows that we are
independent and reporting what is actually the state of the matter in society.
We are not beholden to the drug companies to report only what they state.
That would be a very sorry position if we were.
He did not say that he doesn't want to report controversies. Read it
again.
W
In a message dated 10/26/2010 1:14:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
slimvirgin(a)gmail.com writes:
> This is the kind of test of our accuracy we really don't want. :)
>
There you go using that "A" word again.
W
Hello,
Due to a recent server rebuild and resurrection of this email address,
I've been rediscovering mailing lists that I had completely forgotten I
was subscribed to. This is one.
Imagine my amusement at receiving an email from someone called Houston
Navarro appearing to leap to the defense of one Gregory Kohs. I'm not
sure what the alleged ban was about, but being a Wikimedia list I can
guess. No, I really can't be bothered reading back through the archives
to see what Mr. Kohs did or didn't do.
Anyway, the interesting part of the defensive email (some crap survey
link) is the headers, of which these bits are the interesting ones:
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Surprise, surprise ... Houston Navarro is Gregory Kohs.
I've kill-filed both his addresses.
Regards,
Ben
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In a message dated 10/23/2010 3:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wiki-list(a)phizz.demon.co.uk writes:
> OK this is going to be controversial but have you ever considered taht
> maybe you shouldn't have anything on Atorvastatin other than what comes
> as the medical advice in the packaging? One cannot provide any useful
> advice on whether someone should use the drug or not that should be
> between the patient and their doctor. I mean its not as if wikipedia is
> an expert pharmacopeia as wikipedia doesn't have experts weighing the
> evidence one way or the other, all you can do is mimic the day to day
> controversy which of its very nature is going to be conflict ridden.
>
> If there are still any pretensions of being encyclopaedic here then any
> such articles should only be written once the conflict has been resolved.
>
> Example here is the MMR article from one period in 2004:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MMR_vaccine&oldid=6127791
>
> any parent reading that article at that time is highly unlikely to have
> opted for the vaccine. Or take the final paragraph here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MMR_vaccine&
> oldid=6127791#The_MMR_controversy
>
> adding every rumour, statement, or innuendo that someone somewhere in
> the world might have once said, however wrong, is unencyclopeadic. It is
> certainly not without consequences. How many children were made ill by
> those paragraphs?
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vaxpictures/measles3.htm
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vaxpictures/measles1.htm
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vaxpictures/mumps1.htm
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vaxpictures/mumps2.htm
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vaxpictures.htm >>
>
Why would you make such outrageous statements and expect any result here?
On what space have you been slumming where people add "every rumour,
statement or innuendo that someone somewhere in the world might have once said"?
Please tell me, I'm dying to know. I mean I'm really dying.
See I took Atorvastatin and you wouldn't let the project report that the
Stanford Medical Journal reported that it causes more damage to the heart than
is acceptable. You want us only to report things once the controversy is
over, in other words once 25,000 people have gotten sick from salmonella
eggs... not just a thousand. No wait, actually after all the lawsuits are over
and the people involved are all dead as well.
See what outrageously extreme statements do for your cause? Nothing.
Now back to our regular program already in progress.
W
Just for your information, Houston Navarro has been moderated for
being Greg Kohs.
Pro tip: bcc'ing a bunch of list subscribers with a fake
"[Foundation-l]" subject isn't very sneaky, particularly when the
return-path header says "thekohser(a)gmail.com."
Greg, the sooner you grow up, the happier the world will be.
Austin
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Houston Navarro <houstonnavarro(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Survey about recent ban
To:
What is your opinion about the Foundation-l mailing list moderators'
action to ban Gregory Kohs from all mailing list activity? Cast your
vote:
http://www.vizu.com/poll-vote.html?n=223459
Password = Austin
Hi everyone,
We're working on a number of major design projects here at WMF over the next few months, and as part of that work I'd like to reach out to everyone to take part in suggesting photographs and images from the Commons for inclusion. This request is specifically focussed on suggesting some images that evoke the Wikimedia vision statement, "Imagine a world..."
You can find more info and add suggested images/visuals from Commons here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/10_year_images#Image_gallery
I hope to make this a more regular process for our creative projects, and hopefully anyone working on presentations or other design projects can use these images to support their work as well.
Thanks for your help!
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Jay Walsh
Head of Communications
WikimediaFoundation.orgblog.wikimedia.org
+1 (415) 839 6885 x 609, @jansonw