I've uploaded a screencap
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wmf-2007-07-elections-ads.png>
of a chart I made with openOffice.org Calc with my interpretations of
the board candidate answers about the use of ads on foundation
projects. I'd appreciate comments on the whether I should link to it
from the talk pages of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advertisements>,
<http://tinyurl.com/2ouwzw>, and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_against_advertisements>;
or delete the image.
Cons: Like the divisive political and financial ethics userboxes, it
may create some ugly factionalizing. Such summaries can reduce the
quality of discussion with dogmatic single issue flaming instead of
rational discussion.
Pros: I think more information is good, and since there are very good
contributers who'd leave if ads are displayed I think it's worth the
new discussion that the chart may produce for this dealbreaker issue.
It's meta enough that I think the en.wikip userboxes problem doesn't
really apply here.
--
User:Jeandré du Toit
Hi, all!
On Saturday, we founded Wikimedia Norway. Its name is Wikimedia Norge
(Bokmål), with Wikimedia Noreg (Nynorsk) and Wikimedia Norga (Northern Sámi)
as equal forms. There was some discussion and some changes to the bylaw
proposal, but the whole process was very tidy, and we got it done in two
hours. It was also decided that the bylaws will be revised in the first
regular general assembly, when we have more time (we had a limited amount of
time today, but everything went smoothly).
The translation of the bylaws will begin as soon as they are uploaded. The
decision was made that the Bokmål edition of the bylaws is the main one, but
that translations shall be made - and kept in sync with Bokmål - into
Nynorsk, Northern Sami and English.
The elected board contains nine members, all of course from the community:
* [[no:User:Haros]] - Hans Rosbach, president
* [[no:User:Silje]] - Silje Bakke, Vice President
* [[no:User:Bombadil]] - Marius Helgå
* [[no:User:Jeblad]] - John Erling Blad
* [[no:User:Nina]] - Nina Aldin Thune
* [[no:User:Noorse]] - Siri Johannesen
* [[nn:User:Ranveig]] - Ranveig Mossige Thattai
* [[no:User:PaulVIF]] - Pål Giørtz
* [[nn:User:Trondtr]] - Trond Trosterud
Not all of these were attending the meeting, but all were of course willing
to be on the board, and had been contacted beforehand. An audit committee
was also chosen, from among the attendees. Its members are Hans-Petter Fjeld
(Atluxity), Frode Inge Helland, Johannes Kaasa, Jon Harald Søby and Harry
Wad (Harrywad).
The meeting protocal will come online shortly, and the bylaws will be
translated to English for the approval of the Chapter Committee.
--
Jon Harald Søby
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by
小b，還是其他人請幫忙把這個note發表到首頁
多多
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Hello, my name is Blake, I am a Penn (Wharton) student.
I'm envisioning a wiki-project where people can go to post the
problems or inefficiencies that they see in their work or life. The purpose
would be to create a place where those with the know-how and dedication to
invent and solve problems (like engineering students or weekend inventors)
can find the issues that need to be addressed.
Like the idea that "necessity is the mother of all invention", or
that innovation happens when a problem is at hand, this wiki-project would
give people that specific problem to focus their energies on. Please
contact me (bwest87(a)gmail.com) if you would like to help me work out the
detials and get this started, or to help me work through the inevitable
problems that will be faced in making this idea a reality. I've put two
examples below that originally stirred me to think of this problem.
Thank you - Blake
As some quick examples of what I'm talking about; two students at
Penn recently devised a system to capture weather probes that usually get
lost by the National Weather Service. The N.W.S. sends out thousands of
probes per year to gather data, but they lose 80% of them. Each one cots
over $100, and with the help of these Penn students, the N.W.S. will save
hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Yet, how many people even knew
that this problem existed? Perhaps it could have been solved sooner, if more
people knew about it.
A different example. I was recently introduced to a business that
sells bedding for flowers, primarily to commerical growers. Typical bedding
is made of coconuts shavings that sucks up water and the plants then take
water from the coconut shavings. The founder of this business however, said,
"hey, why don't we put a small bio-degradable sheet of plastic inbetween the
coconut shavings to hold more water?" Once the original water runs out, the
coconuts will suck up water from the plastic bed and the plants will have
more water. This means that planters have to water their plants half as
much, which means huge savings in time and money.
Again, however, so few people even knew of this problem, which is
probably why it took this long to find a better way to do it. There are
people with time on their hands who would love to solve issues for the world
(and potentially make money from them), but they just don't know where to
start. This is where we start. Right here, with this wiki-project. Please
contact me if you're interested.
--
Blake West
Wharton, University of Pennsylvania '09
bwest87(a)gmail.com
We've been asked not to discuss this on this list, but to clarify,
I'll quote from the new guidelines:
"Since #wikipedia is a channel for the entire Wikipedia community,
including a large number of language variants, people of all
backgrounds and language skills frequent the channel. Although English
is the most-used language on #wikipedia, there is no "official"
language of the channel. People are entitled to speak languages other
than English in the channel."
but at the same time:
"Discussions relating to specific wikis and processes thereof, such as
the English Wikipedia and adminship/deletion discussions there, should
be taken to more specific channels like #wikipedia-en."
The first quote bears a lot more weight than the second. They do
however deal with different things. Purely on language, any language
is permitted now and no-one should be disputing that.
On topic, any language's project is acceptable ("A place for
discussion relating to those language wikis which lack their own
sufficiently active IRC channel (the idea is to keep specific talk on
larger projects in their own channels to make #wikipedia more useful
for everyone)") but it is suggested that if the channel is getting too
busy that it be taken to other channels.
In a nutshell: #wikipedia is definately not exclusively English.
Sean
PS We'd love to see applications from non-English operators.
On 21/06/07, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I know #wikipedia has been multi-lingual channel. I hope the
> new rule doesn't try to change it without any consensus.
>
> Sean, can you please explain?
>
> On 6/21/07, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was wondering, if on the new rules, it was decided that #wikipedia
> > is to become an english-only channel
> >
> > You'll see, traditionally #wikipedia is the "all wikipedias" channel,
> > unlike #wikipedia-fr which is the french one, #wikipedia-en the
> > english wikipedia, and so.
> >
> > So, since it's the equivalent of a "meta" channel, all languages have
> > been traditionally accepted, since visitors from any wikipedia may get
> > there first.
> >
> > Now, every once in a while, people there get to think it's the english
> > wikipedia channel and start acting aggresive when people talk in
> > languages other than english along the lines
> > "If you want to talk spanish, go #wikipedia-es"
> > which is silly, we don't people "if you want talk english, go #wikipedia-en"
> >
> > That attitude is not new, I've seen it several times since I've been
> > around (which is by the way, about 3 years ), and usually after a bit
> > of drama, it's accepted that #wikipedia is a multilanguage channel.
> >
> > However, it seems that today several users (teh_tennisman and others)
> > were pushing out people because they weren't speakign english. So I
> > wonder, now that channel policies are being set
> >
> > could it be made explicit once and for all that #wikipedia is a
> > multilingual channel or that it's an english only channel? Either way,
> > it would help to stop this hostile attitude towards non english
> > speakers (by either makign clear they're accepted or making clear they
> > shouldn't stop by).
> >
> > -- drini
> >
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> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >
>
>
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> * habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *
>
--
—Sean Whitton (seanw)
<sean(a)silentflame.com>
http://seanwhitton.com/
Dear all,
I have just subscribed to this list in the light of IRC problems we've
been having. Namely, a couple of users, primeraly seanw (I never heard
of him before) decided to create and enforce rules on #wikipedia.
The most problematic rule is the ban of off-topic talk in the channel.
This is problematic for two reasons:
1) A lot of people have been in that channel for years. We like to
socialize and to help and seek help regarding Wikipedia. Wikipedia being
such an open project, most of us thought of the channel as great,
because people who otherwise wouldn't spend their time waiting for a
question, hung in there and were helpful. Both admins helped regular
users, and everybody helped newcomers. We think of off topic
conversation as a good thing. There is nothing worse than getting into a
silent channel, asking a question, and getting the answer half an hour
later, when you lost all the interest
2) We percieve this as somebody trying to hijack the channel we've been
frequenting for a long time. There is a sort of a _power play_ going on.
A couple of people came in and said "we are in charge now", and they
decided that they are the ones who "officially, unofficially" run the
channel.
So, I have some question:
1) Were there any complaints that #wikipedia wasn't helpful to people
with questions? Or this come just because some people don't like what we
talked about?
2) Whom can we ask for help? Most of the people in #wikipedia dislike
both the new rules and how they were implemented and we don't want seanw
in charge. As demonstrated in the channel and on the talk page of the
Guideline.
3) Who are seanw and other people who authorized them to come up with
rules? Can I make a gudeline on wikimedia and say that I'm in charge of
the feud I choose? Please :P
4) Why was there no community input? You can say all you want, but I
first heard about the issues on this mailing list from /topic, and first
saw the guideline after it was enforced.
5) Is this how we are going to go about other issues on Wikipedia, too?
Thank you,
Dejan Čabrilo
All,
The Library of Congress and the National Endowment for
the Humanities have announced the beta web interface
for the National Digital Newspaper Program, intended
to digitize and make freely available the contents of
most historic major U.S. newspapers:
http://www.loc.gov/chroniclingamerica/http://www.neh.gov/projects/ndnp.html
Currently only the contents of newspapers from a
select few states during the period 1900-1910 are
available, but eventually the project will encompass
all U.S. regions and the entire period 1836 to 1922.
The Library of Congress does not seem to place any
legal restrictions on the use of these archives for
educational purposes (though it does not guarantee
that other copyright holders might not have claims)
and I think even the current, limited contents of the
archive will be immediately valuable for reference and
illustrative purposes within Wikipedia.
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I was wondering, if on the new rules, it was decided that #wikipedia
is to become an english-only channel
You'll see, traditionally #wikipedia is the "all wikipedias" channel,
unlike #wikipedia-fr which is the french one, #wikipedia-en the
english wikipedia, and so.
So, since it's the equivalent of a "meta" channel, all languages have
been traditionally accepted, since visitors from any wikipedia may get
there first.
Now, every once in a while, people there get to think it's the english
wikipedia channel and start acting aggresive when people talk in
languages other than english along the lines
"If you want to talk spanish, go #wikipedia-es"
which is silly, we don't people "if you want talk english, go #wikipedia-en"
That attitude is not new, I've seen it several times since I've been
around (which is by the way, about 3 years ), and usually after a bit
of drama, it's accepted that #wikipedia is a multilanguage channel.
However, it seems that today several users (teh_tennisman and others)
were pushing out people because they weren't speakign english. So I
wonder, now that channel policies are being set
could it be made explicit once and for all that #wikipedia is a
multilingual channel or that it's an english only channel? Either way,
it would help to stop this hostile attitude towards non english
speakers (by either makign clear they're accepted or making clear they
shouldn't stop by).
-- drini
