I just noticed this:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3898530205/ref=ac_hotlist_prod/302-42…
It is a CD version of the German Wikipedia. That's all nice and fine but what
process was used to clear the use of the official Wikipedia logo and name?
I'm just a bit worried about the legal ramifications - esp in ref to trademark
and liability if there are copyvios since this looks like an official Wikipedia
publication.
In short, I'd like to hear from an IP lawyer before anything else like this
happens.
-- mav
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> ----- Forwarded message from Leslie Nuccio <xxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxx.xxx> -----
> I noticed that you took down the shop link on the wikipedia homepage -
> and your sales dropped dramatically as a result.
It was actually on every page on the English Wikipedia (at least French too)
for 48 hours after the end of our last fund drive.
> What I'd like to propose is either a thumbnail of a design line (or
> product) on the homepage, and/or a permanent "Shop" tab in the global
> navigation. Since it seems that raising money for Wikimedia Foundation
> is a priority, this is definitely a first step towards that end.
I�m not at all in favor of this since it would likely divert money away from
donations (a revenue stream where at least 95% goes directly to the foundation
- only 20% of CafePress sales go to the foundation). The amount of money
generated for the foundation through Cafe Press was tiny compared with the
amount of donation money we took in during the drive. This was even during the
time that a link to the shop was on every en.wiki page and some people
complained that was a form of advertising (the commission check that covers the
fund drive period was 400 to 500 dollars more than a regular commission check).
What we do now is send each person who donated through PayPal to a thank you
page on the foundation wiki where they are encouraged to buy merchandise.
There is also a link to the shop on the bottom of the donation page.
-- mav (just talking as a user, not as CFO)
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----- Forwarded message from Leslie Nuccio <xxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxx.xxx> -----
From: "Leslie Nuccio" <xxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:13:09 -0700
To: <board(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: The wikipedia online shop
Hey all,
I noticed that you took down the shop link on the wikipedia homepage -
and your sales dropped dramatically as a result.
What I'd like to propose is either a thumbnail of a design line (or
product) on the homepage, and/or a permanent "Shop" tab in the global
navigation. Since it seems that raising money for Wikimedia Foundation
is a priority, this is definitely a first step towards that end.
I'm leaving town tomorrow for the week, but my associate Samantha is in
to help come up with ideas. We have a design team here and are happy to
donate design for free, so if you guys want to re-organize the shop of
have some product design ideas, feel free to tell us.
Cheers...
_______________
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Account Development Director
CafePress.com
(xxx) xxx-xxxx direct
(xxx) xxx-xxxx fax
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"Pianosa is een Italie" - first words of 50,000th article on nl.wikipedia.org
Thank you to everyone who replied to my questions at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_agenda/Open_questions.
A lot of good suggestions and helpful comments were made, and I'm
hoping we will be able to carry out some of these in the near future,
or to at least begin considering them.
Here is a summary of some of the suggestions. The inclusion of these
does not mean there was necessarily agreement on carrying out the
suggestion. Please see [[m:Board agenda/Open questions]] for the full
discussion.
== Hosting ==
* Delegate the management of offers or centralize all hosting offers with Jimbo
* Create a private wiki
* Hire a secretary for Jimbo
* Hire someone to manage grants and partnerships
* Use OTRS more effectively
* Run offers by a legal committee first
* Hire a lawyer to write contracts
* Ask potential partners/hosts whether we can list them among our
"potential partners and hosts" before doing so
* Have a standard response for people making offers
* Be clear about how we could integrate the resources on offer
* Consider placing databases outside the US
* Consider the legal implications of chapters owning servers
== Trademarks ==
* The status of trademark/domain registrations should be listed on the
Foundation website
* A group should be tasked with keeping track of this information
* Get a lawyer to write a contract regarding licensing the logo
* See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo_and_trademark_policy
== Membership ==
* Create a portal that allows the community to pay one another to
produce such tasks
* Revive the membership task
* Hire a programmer
* Specifying tasks properly
* Mixed views on whether membership was worthwhile, but most thought it was.
== Money ==
* Developer committee should advise on what to buy
* Budget should be documented
* Hire programmers for Wikispecies and have them write a decent UI
== Promotion ==
* Appoint a multi-lingual PR coordinator
* Have an explicit PR budget
* Have an unofficial PR committee
* Spend more on promotion (not all agreed with this)
* Outreach programs to educational institutions
== Grants ==
* Hire a full-time grants coordinator
* Find a way of getting more community involvement with grants
== Developers ==
* Appoint a developer liaison and possibly a separate server liaison
* Encourage and empower the developer committee
== Communication ==
* Clarify the relationship between the Board and the community
* Global message notification and translation
* More regular letters from the board
* More regular/more often meetings
* More formal involvement between chapters and the board
* Reform the OTRS procedures
* Reinvigorat the system of embassies, with elected ambassadors
--
Angela.
Hi,
This is the text which will be submitted to the WSIS by the Education Taks
Force. The chapter below '''Rights of free access to repositories of
content''' was added from my recommendation. Critics and suggestions
welcomed.
Best wishes,
Yann
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_Summit_on_Information_Society/Politica…
(...)
== Rights of free access to repositories of content ==
All the previous items cannot expand, produce growth, be diffused unless there
is a reduction of the present disconnect between the cost of cultural and
educational products and the duration of copyright and Intellectual Property
Rights and patents.
The taskforce considers that the WSIS process is a unique chance to clarify
the categories between what belongs to public domain and what doesn’t. The
ICTs should facilitate access to existing public domain documents, with
special indexes and metadata. Nation states should develop policies to help
users, inform them about their rights and responsibilities and clarify the
access to these metadata and administrative processes. The current management
of the rights of access is so complicated so far that they produce chilling
effects to use and development of materials.
The taskforce strongly recommends the creation of a right of fair use that is
not constraining. For some data they are theoretically available and free of
rights but in practice, they are not easy to recuperate or they are too slow
to access and therefore create frustration. These obstacles are a severe
impediment to the development of valid teaching materials and reference
documents that would be otherwise facilitators of scaling up modalities, like
replicability, modularity and sustainability for education, training and
research.
(...)
=== Rights of free access ===
The taskforce recognizes the importance of copyright in the interest of
development of innovation and of faire remuneration of creative work, but it
upholds that it should be balanced byh a public right of access to knowledge,
in accordance with the Universal declaration of human rights (art.27). As a
result it recommends an exemption/exception of Intellectual Property Rights
for archiving and educating, in the non-profit contexts of education and
research, like schools, museums, libraries, archives, etc.
For dissemination of materials the taskforce also recommends partnerships
between authors, broadcasters and other content producers and the users
(teachers and students) so as to develop documents together, free of rights,
to enrich the global commons of culture. Other partnerships can be developed
as in the case of the self-evolving Wikipedia…
For documents that are not free of rights, the taskforce recommends the
development of an international mechanism with incremental levels of access,
according to the amount of years. This amount of years should be the reverse
of the one that is currently existing. Instead of increasing the years of
protection, there should be a cap, that could be located around 30 years with
a moving wall possible of + or – 3 years, before a document becomes public
domain. This would present the advantage to give the author the benefit of
his work during his lifetime, while allowing others to modify it and creating
innovative forms from it. The authors should be given the option of choosing
a basic fee for use of their documents before the 30 years deadline.
In any case, beyond 30 years of publication, documents and patents produced by
public institutions or co-financed by public funds, should be free of rights
for education purposes, especially for non-profit education.
(...)
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Though there are many suggestions on hiring and
spending money, that does not mean we will follow all
these suggestions. Some editors favored spending money
to improve technical issues. Others to improve
communication. Others to improve the grant area. Or
the legal area.
I think in all these cases, we first need to really
make sure we do not host the resources amongst
ourselves. We obviously can not fund all of them right
now.
There is one thing which is certain though. There is a
lot to do, and we are currently stretched to the limit
of our availabilities. One answer could be to try to
get more editors involved in meta issues.
Ant
Dori a écrit:
> That's a lot of suggestions on hiring and spending
money. Can we make sure
> that the act of getting more money doesn't bankrupt
the foundation? I would
> hope some funds are set aside for hosting and rainy
days.
>
> On Apr 4, 2005 8:48 PM, Angela
<beesley-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
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http://www.podcastingnews.com/archives/2005/03/ourmedia_offers.html
A story on the Podcasting News website describes Wikipedia as one of the
"partners in the effort" to launch the Ourmedia project. Is this true? I
realize that Angela is one of their advisors, but I hadn't heard that
there was any kind of official partnership. Is there some kind of
ongoing discussion that the community doesn't know about, or are people
just being sloppy about the nature of the connection?
--Michael Snow
Hi all,
Registration for Wikimania, the first international Wikimedia conference
is now possible on http://wikimania.wikimedia.org
We'd like to invite all participants of the wikimedia projects to join
this big event in summer 2005.
Wikimania will take place from 4th to 8th august 2005 in Frankfurt am
Main, Germany. The event will combine Wikimedia community discussions
and software hacking with academic research, presentations of current
implementations, and user/community panels. Wiki fans, community
members, and developers are all invited to attend.
We are also encouraging presentation and content submissions for the
conference; for more information, see the call for papers
(http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_papers).
Please pass this message along to all Wikimedia projects, in english or
translating it (for coordination see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/Wikimania/Announcement)
If you'd like to help or have ideas for the conference, don't hesitate
to contact us at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Feedback (or
just ask here on the mailing list).
Wikimania is an event from the community for the community - it will
live from your participation ;-)
greetings and hope to see you in summer,
elian,
for the Wikimania organisation team
Needless to say, I can hardly wait for UK Wikimedia to start receiving this
sort of thing.
- d.
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From: John Bradley <john(a)ontobus.co.uk>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Vile Triga and Matt Crypto.
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:39:07 +0100
More manipulation from Matt Crypto. Strange he doesn't mention Vile Triga
behaviour before now, just cuts it down to the bits that suit him. More typical
dishonesty.
Your msg constitues a personal attack. You've refused to accept my
critismism, why should anyone believe you'll taken on anyone elses.
> For background, you can review the problems with this user's behaviour here:
>
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Irate
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Irate
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smoddy/Irate
>
> I am quite open to criticism if others judge that I've handled this situation
> badly.
>
> Matt
>
> P.S. Note that even now, this user cannot resist personal attacks in the
> subject line.
>
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--- Neil Harris <usenet(a)tonal.clara.co.uk> wrote:
> I agree: there can be many partners, and there's no reason not to
> be
> partners with many people and organizations. But with the Wikipedia
>
> brand becoming more and more valuable, and official trademark
> recognition in the offing, there needs to be an official process
> for
> registration of Wikipedia/Wikimedia partners. In particular, I
> believe
> that the Foundation will have a legal requirement to defend its
> trademarks Real Soon Now, and not doing so risks losing the rights
> over
> that trademark and becoming a [[genericized trademark]].
Any value the wikipedia brand has comes from the content of the
wikipedia. The content itself does not "belong" to the Wikimedia
Foundation. The brand, well, I could not care less. Be careful that
you recognize value where it really is.
> The Foundation urgently needs an official policy before anything
> damaging occurs to the Wikipedia/Wikimedia brand. An official
> partner
> list page would be a good idea: so the Foundation can say "if
> you're not
> on this page, you're not an official partner, and here's how to
> apply to
> be a Wikimedia partner, dear Bill/Melinda [delete as applicable]"
Do we? Is it so important that we "recognize" our "partners"?
I say the opposite is true. We should have a policy that says: "It
does not matter how much money, content, or goodwill you send our
way, we are not putting your logo or anything else in the wikipedia.
Our NPOV policy would prohibit that, now that I think about it.
It would be kind of like saying "This unbiased beverage report
brought to you by our Partner: Pepsi"
Chris Mahan
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