To answer Anthony, yes accredited reporters have requested and gained
entry to press events - admittedly of the cattle call variety.
The snip below from message to Mav on Wikinews-l. Note the Credentials
Verification page includes the complete list of en.wikinews accredited
reporters.
-------- Original Message --------
<snip>
Another en.Wikinews contributor who does have press credentials was able
to request entry to the press sections at this fall's Apple events. He
was able to attend a number of small press conferences at the event, as
well as the major floor events, and turned in two articles about it.
News events managers do not let everyone with credentials in. They
accept candidates from news sources they feel will give them the
coverage they want. They also usually want to be able to verify press
credentials. The latter is why en.Wikinews built a policy which is
actually more stringent in some respects than our adminship policies.
The policy includes methods of credential verification including
voicemail contacts.
En.Wikinews has approved a total of 8 reporters for credentials. One
reporter has left the project, and three are currently inactive. Another
is not primarily a Wikinewsy, Sj. Currently we have one candidate for
accreditation, Fuzheado (Andrew Lih).
I encourage Mav to take a look en's policy
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy),
verification
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification), and
requests (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_requests).
Anthere wrote:
>As a reference, which might be interesting, David makes checks every
>day. Yesterday (a bad day I guess), he made over a hundred checks. At
>this rate, clearly, more than 1 and actually more than 2 must have the
>tool in the hand.
Yeah. Yesterday I was running a check on someone with lots of dialup
accesses (AC matter, and the user came out completely clear, by the
way). This means check every IP ...
I could easily spend two or three hours a day doing nothing but
CheckUser. Considering I'm currently marked "away" on the en: ArbCom
due to work pressures, I really really don't have the time ...
en: could easily do with another five checkers. All five of the new
ones are on the ArbCom too, by the way.
We could also do with a closed mailing list for CheckUser users - IP
matching is an art, not a science, and needs experienced knowledge and
peer consultation of what's a match and what's a coincidence. (It'll
also help me/us work on [[m:Help:CheckUser]] ;-)
- d.
>
> Why should journalist be treated in a different way of normal people when
> asking for informations?
>
> AnyFile
They shouldn't, but they are. That's just the way marketing works.
It's a good way of choosing who gets a piece of your infinitely limited time
when you're busy.
Nick/Zanimum
I guess that this policy is approved for now. if you have further
comments, please add them in the talk page. I archived all the
discussions, if you wish some to be kept on the live page, please move
them back.
The policy is here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_Policy
To ask for CheckUser status, please see here :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_permissions
To ask for information on a user, please go there :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for_CheckUser_information
------
To summarize it very very shortly :
* on a project with an arbcom, the arbcom will decide for some editors
to have the checkuser status (they may or may not be on the arbcom). The
stewards will give access, per arbcom request.
* on a project with no arbcom, the community will have to vote for its
editors with checkuser access. A limit of votes number has been set on
purpose. I recommand avoiding using sockpuppet for voting. A wiki
community with 10 editors and 30 voters is likely to be frowned upon.
* if the project has no checkuser editor (no vote or too small a
project), the community can ask a steward to do the job.
* all those with checkUser status are submitted to the privacy policy.
Infrigment of it will lead to status removal (there will not be a
community global vote to decide a removal, as this is a legal issue
involving the Foundation; however, the local communities are welcome to
insure investigation and report of abuse cases).
Have fun, but please remember that this is a technical tool to fight
vandalism... not a tool to use routinely to control your peers; We are
not big brother... by default, we *try* to trust :-)
Ant
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:51:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews is giving out press credentials
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20051108045123.83078.qmail(a)web51611.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> Credentials are given by organizations - not by just some people on the
> Internet (which is all any Wikimedia project is by itself). Using that term -
> in the real world where it has a specific meaning - to describe that process is
> very misleading.
In normal newspapers also the emplyment status and the wages are given
by the organization
More precisely the credential is given by the same organization is
given by who recruit the journalist. Since here the "journalist" is
not recruit by the Board, there is no reason why it should the only
one entitle to give out creential.
In my Opinion what is misleading is the way normal journalist consider
themselves.
Why should journalist be treated in a different way of normal people
when asking for informations?
AnyFile
Regarding Jimbo's (and other's) sentiments re new proposals and
new-language proposals, and the frustration of our Zlabitorian friends,
allow me to suggest a possible solution: start your own wiki. That's
what I did.
I proposed a project to gather memoirs of historical events. After some
discussion on foundation-l, I didn't get much support. Justifiably so,
because the project was half-baked and not proven. (Thanks to the
community for gently pointing this out!) So, with the help of a kind
Wikipedian (much appreciated, Erik!), I set up www.memorywiki.org myself
in order to refine the concept, work out the kinks, and see whether it
would do the world any good. I'm still doing all those things, and
invite you to judge for yourself. If you like what you see, I'd
appreciate your help.
The point is that wikimedia might benefit from a "minor league" policy.
If someone has an idea for wiki project, help them set it up, and tell
them to refine their project. There is no teacher like experience. If,
after an appropriate period of testing and development, the wiki looks
like it might be a good candidate for inclusion as an official Wikimedia
project, then the community can vote to bring it in. If the community
votes 'yes,' then the project moves to Wikimedia; if it votes no, then
the proponents *still* have a wiki and if they believe in it, they can
continue to develop it. Everybody wins.
Best, Marshall Poe
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>But right now, we do NOT have this log. And people are ASKING for the
>check user status to go live !
I would really like to know who thought voting for checkuser was a
good idea and why.
- d.
Anthere wrote:
>* on a project with no arbcom, the community will have to vote for its
>editors with checkuser access. A limit of votes number has been set on
>purpose. I recommand avoiding using sockpuppet for voting. A wiki
>community with 10 editors and 30 voters is likely to be frowned upon.
And next, we'll be voting for root, database access and CVS access.
Get your votes in now! Brion, Tim or Lir for Mediawiki lead? It's a
hot contest!
[cc: to wikitech-l]
- d.
>PS : a comment about the checkuser policy. Afaik, it is done. I asked
>comments a week ago, and though Taw has not removed the fact he thought
>it "terribly dangerous", I read no real opposition to it and several
>supports.
The two opposers were Taw and myself, who have actually used the tool
and have experience of its social effects. And I did comment on the
policy at length. What are you counting as "real opposition"?
[cc to foundation-l]
- d.
On 11/8/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Soon enough, the Zlatiborians will wage a struggle for independence
> against their evil Serbian oppressors, and they will emerge
> victorious! Finally, the inhabitants of Mt Zlatibor will be able to
> live free from the shackles of Serbian oppression, and their culture
> will be admired internationally for its glory and beauty!
>
> When that time comes, the enemies of the Zlatiborian people, yourself
> included, will meet with swift justice, and let me tell you it will
> not be pleasant!
Mark,
When the matter goes as far as Milos saying that the Serbian and
Montenegro Chapter does not want to be part of Wikimedia, I think you
should really try to evaluate what damage you have caused.
I am going to ask you to finally make your point and stop playing
around. I have reread this whole thread and am now convinced this is
all a hoax. Great. Very funny. Can you please make your point and let
us be finished with this whole thing?
I am also going to ask you to consider one thing, you the paragon of
forgotten languages and languages in general. You seem to have
forgotten one very important thing. You have been leading this whole
hoax in English, using irony and double-meanings, with emphasis and
great sentences. But you are dealing with people (myself included) who
are not native English speakers. And who, as you may have noticed,
have failed to see the irony and have taken the matter at heart. In
short, you have been using them.
As a non-native English speaker, and yet someone who strives to master
the language, I am probably best placed to say how the most difficult
thing to catch in a language is humour. And how when humour is lost on
someone and you see it drift in seriousness, you should just hold you
hand up and say "stop! I was joking". Hurting feelings and making fun
of people because they don't speak your language is about the worst
thing I can see happening in this supposedly "multicultural"
community. Most of us are making efforts to address you in a language
you master, you have not made that effort. Not even one little bit.
I feel this is not only inconsiderate, but also plain nasty.
On another note, I am sorry to tell you that you have, on top of
playing with people's feelings, failed to make your point. At least,
*I* have failed to see where you were leading. Blame it on my
non-English-speaker-ness, or whatever else suits your funny self. But
hey, target missed. Game over.
I will add just one thing. You and all of the other native English
speakers who played along and never tried to clear things up should
really once try and put themselves in our shoes. Once. Just once. I
believe it would help. Really.
Cheers,
Delphine
--
~notafish