Video documentation was opt-out, and said so on the submissions page: "If you object to these requirements (for instance, if you would prefer not to be filmed), please talk to a programme committee member before submitting a proposal." I suppose this could have been make more explicit - the submissions page was largely inherited from last year, and I assumed that it would be clear that it's possible to opt-out. If this changes your mind about submitting, I don't mind if you submit late. (any objections to that?) Edward SaperiaChief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> email &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.xn--org&gt;facebook-f19h <http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia>•twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia>•07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG On 5 April 2014 09:25, Manuel Schneider &lt;&lt;manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch&gt;&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>

If yes, then think about more than 70% of not native english speakers, which don´t. Even if they can follow a presentation or a panel. And you mean, they should be punished for that?

Wikimania 2013, 125 Videos with an average access rate of 12. Even the video of Jimbo was with 11 calls below the average. Of what value are you talking about? From a theoretical value? The polling numbers for 2012 were slightly higher, but even they are beyond any comprehensible value. What then are we talking about? I see no rea value, which can be facing the not inconsiderable costs. We should strive to turn to more practice. This tells us that videos are totally overvalued. You, Dschwen, should not compare your own situation as a U.S. resident with thousands of other Wikipedians, which probably would be able to give a talk in their own language, but not in a foreign language. The same applies to all other persons who are not able to follow a complex lecture in English. Not even on video. And you will not find anyone who will make subtitles in videos, which are just accessed 100 times in the best case. To be a little provocative to say: Forget about the videos, these serve more the coverage and vanity of the speakers themselves. H Am 14.04.2014 17:53, schrieb Daniel Schwen: If yes, then think about more than 70% of not native english speakers, which don´t. Even if they can follow a presentation or a panel. And you mean, they should be punished for that? I don't quite see the connection to what Jan said here. Nobody wants to punish non native speakers. Is there a correlation between being a non-native speaker and not wanting to be filmed? I have to agree with jan that submissions that decline being video taped _should_ indeed be punished (to pick up on that hyperbole). The reason is simple. These contributors are providing less value by not being taped. They are effectively "punishing" people that are unable to attend the conference physically. We wouldn't be getting as much out of their talks as we possibly could. Daniel _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing listWikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Edward Saperia &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt;wrote;wrote: My understanding is that this is far from a decided thing. There are still some massive concerns about your servers rolling over and dying with the traffic we send from this - particularly for streaming video which is already a bandwidth hog. I'd want to see some testing first. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe(a)wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki<https://twitter.com/Philippewiki> _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

To be honest I'm not completely sure I'm comfortable with that level of advertising (in fact it makes me very very uncomfortable) even if it works technically. This isn't TED....and I would hate to see it turn into that especially given the wide variety in organizers each year. James James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Philippe Beaudette < philippe(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Well, almost everything we do leads to *someone* being very vocally upset :) I haven't drafted what it would say yet, but I guess something along the lines of: "Wikipedia is having its annual conference, Wikimania, where the community convene to discuss the future of the project - click here to watch a livestream." *Edward Saperia* Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> email &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt; • facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG On 15 April 2014 13:02, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

* You think it is ok to waste the time of people who travelled thousands of miles to this conference with a crappy talk (the crappyness of which you apparently know in advance), but it would be too much of a burden on someone who spent the effort of a mere mouseclick to view your talk to click once more to close the video?! ;-)

Seriously, while we have great speakers, I'm not sure all of us are confident enough for that kind of an outreach, nor would I feel that the average Wikimania speaker gives enough of a good impression to the average website visitor. Ok, Video makes your embarrassing talk somewhat permanent. I grant you that. Although we could always allow for talks to be pulled if the speakers are unhappy. But..

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On April 15, 2014, Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; wrote: Hm, if you're going to advertize it on the centralnotice, maybe I will reconsider my availability for a live stream (perhaps depending on specifics). I am confused. Are you saying you are okay with being recorded only if you have a guesstimate of viewers that are very low? Seriously, while we have great speakers, I'm not sure all of us are confident enough for that kind of an outreach, nor would I feel that the average Wikimania speaker gives enough of a good impression to the average website visitor. I sort of agree, but rather from an interest aspect. The average website visitor are certainly not interested in the inner workings of our community. If central notice is used, it should be for specific sessions targeted on outreach to people unaware of how the Wikimedia universe works. /Jan Lodewijk 2014-04-15 14:10 GMT+02:00 Edward Saperia &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt;rg>: Well, almost everything we do leads to *someone* being very vocally upset :) I haven't drafted what it would say yet, but I guess something along the lines of: "Wikipedia is having its annual conference, Wikimania, where the community convene to discuss the future of the project - click here to watch a livestream." *Edward Saperia* Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> email &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt; • facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG On 15 April 2014 13:02, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt; wrote: Among other issues, pretty much anything in a CentralNotice leads to someone being very vocally upset with what they see as spam. It's hard to predict quite how large or vocal that number will be in this case, as we haven't done it before :-) (Are you thinking of some kind of specific message - "watch XYZ speaking about the future of Wikipedia" - or a generic "Wikimania is now on; watch here"?) A. On 15 April 2014 10:49, Edward Saperia &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt; wrote: It isn't TED, but from the get go I've had outreach as a primary goal with this event, and I've been planning and programming with that in mind. This doesn't have to set a precedent for future Wikimanias. Technical concerns aside, what negative outcomes are you imagining? *Edward Saperia* Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> email &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt; • facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG On 15 April 2014 10:28, James Alexander &lt;jalexander(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: To be honest I'm not completely sure I'm comfortable with that level of advertising (in fact it makes me very very uncomfortable) even if it works technically. This isn't TED....and I would hate to see it turn into that especially given the wide variety in organizers each year. James James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Philippe Beaudette < philippe(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Edward Saperia &lt;ed(a)wikimanialondon.org&gt;wrote;wrote: The livestreams will be promoted via a centralnotice My understanding is that this is far from a decided thing. There are still some massive concerns about your servers rolling over and dying with the traffic we send from this - particularly for streaming video which is already a bandwidth hog. I'd want to see some testing first. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 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I believe this Wikimania will be different. Our videos will be higher quality, and livestreamed and uploaded same day by a dedicated team. The videos will be broadcast by our media partners.

more Hogwash.

The way video was handled at previous Wikimanias has not been the optimum yet (no live streaming, very late upload). But even 12 accesses represent a substantial increase in audience compared to the physical attendence numbers (keep in mind that there are many parallel sessions).

On 15 Apr 2014, at 20:33, Hegger &lt;heinz.egger(a)gmx.at&gt; wrote: Out of curiosity, where are these numbers coming from? Thanks, Mike