Hi Kudpung,
(without being intimitely familiar with this particular year, the
underneath is based on my experience and conversations from previous years)
I would almost say: of course. As the disburser, the WMF will at the very
least have to check that the recipient is not on some terrorism watchlist
or otherwise unable to receive the money, on a blacklist of the Trust and
Safety, etc. As such, they need some flexibility to overrule the committee.
I agree it would be /nice/ for the scholarship process to have earlier
program decisions. However, the other side is that for the program, it
would be nice to have as late as possible submissions, because that
improved the likelihood that the sessions are still relevant by the time
the conference is there. When there are project related sessions, that
there is actually a clear overview of what to present.
As with many decisions, the timeline of Wikimania is a fragile one with
many timelines that need to be coordinated. It will never be perfect -
because every time you improve something on the right, something on the
left will suffer.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:43 PM, cs <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
So in other word’s, The WMF ‘does’ have the final
say in who is
awarded a scholarship. I was not aware that this is the case. Thank
you Ellie , for the clarification.
I do believe the program selection should be begun earlier and that
there should be some active collaboration between the scholarships
approvals systems(s) and those who do the program selections.
Kudpung
On 07, Jun2018, at 00:59, Ellie Young <eyoung(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I'd like to clarify this a bit more:
The Scholarship committee reviews and scores the applications that make it
into Phase 2. The WMF staff uses these
scores to distribute the scholarships evenly among the groups. These
scores are NOT "mere recommendations". Also, if any person who gets their
paper accepted to the program and cannot attend because they did not
receive a scholarship, the program committee can recommend that we offer
them support via the Wikimania budget.
Ellie Young
WMF Event Manager
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:12 PM, cs <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
> I am surprised to learn that the jury’s selection is a mere
> recommendation to the WMF. I was not aware of that.
> I’m not sure that the program teams are ideally constituted. The
> choice of presentations and/or allocations of time slots for various
> activities has often left me baffled.
>
> Kudpung
>
>
> On 05, Jun2018, at 22:19, DerHexer <derhexer(a)wikipedia.de> wrote:
>
> That's true:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_schol
> ars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars (that this
> is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the committee which,
> as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard to implement a
> process which does not favor these who are used to write good applications
> if we don't draw lots).
>
> We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa
> regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their
> process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some
> money for people who could not hold their presentations without a
> scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the
> outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point.
>
> Best,
> Martin/DerHexer
>
>
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> I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I
> remember correctly.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sjoerd de Bruin
>
> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <mlle.julie.w(a)gmail.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees
> are judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the
> conference? The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees
> getting repeat scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities
> afterwards with what they learned / what it was like / who they met / what
> they will do now. With a limited number of scholarships available, it is
> true that the attendees are expected to share their good fortune with those
> who couldn't attend.
>
> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a
> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and
> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to
> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding
> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response
> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be
> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
>
> Julia W
>
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> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship
> system
> is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community?
> With
> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the
> WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> )
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of
> the
> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same
> old
> > faces year in, year out.
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> >
http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >
>