Ellie, I don't think "We have a system that works for jury selection" is appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me that this simple question is been unanswered. Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members - from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee. So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed answer to the question - how they are selected. Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year jury. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young <eyoung(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Hey Manuel, Thank you for the response. Transparency is always good - and this case really shows why. While Ellie didn't respond and answered the question how people been elected, and summarize her answer to: "We have a system that works for jury selection." Your side and answer shows a whole different point of view. The system seem far away from working correctly. The fact that above the movement biggest *community* event there is a jury who most his members are paid staff, who been selected by a WMF staffer. This is not a decision by a committee, as the committee, as you describe is only been asked for feedback - and that should be clear. I hope next year process will be much more community and much more transparent. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch&gt; wrote:

With the greatest of respect, everyone, can we please remember that I'm volunteering for this. I'm not paid to do it. It's out of my own time, the sametime in which I edit Wikipedia. Who my employer is doesn't (and shouldn't, in my opinion) enter into it. I don't have to volunteer for the jury - I volunteer for another non-Wikimedia organisation who would love me to spend 40+ hours with them instead. I volunteer for Wikimedia because I have done so consistently for ten years - and I've only been employed by them for three of those. If you're worried that I will unfairly support the point of view of my employer, I can assure you that that's not the case. The various jury meetings are "in camera", so my employer doesn't get to find out what my opinion on these things are, and they can't censure me for it. And I do disagree with my employer on certain things - and my employer respects my right to disagree with them. They're a pretty decent employer like that. It feels a little bit like I'm being referred to as a "second class volunteer". I know that isn't the case - but it feels that way, It feels a little bit like my volunteer hours are worth less than everyone else's just because of who pays my salary. I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Ellie, I don't think "We have a system that works for jury selection" is appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me that this simple question is been unanswered. Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members - from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee. So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed answer to the question - how they are selected. Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year jury. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young &lt;eyoung(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Of course - my apologies! I'm replying from the lift at work and forgot I was logged into my staff account on my phone, rather than my work one! For the avoidance of doubt, it's chasemewiki(a)gmail.com and I should have sent from that :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 7 October 2014 11:56, Gordon Joly &lt;gordon.joly(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:

As someone who has previously chosen a jury. The most important factors were experience of wikimania, experience of other events and geographic distribution. Affiliation and role were basically hair splitting factors where volunteers were closely matched in terms of the main three factors. Seddon On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Stuart Prior &lt;stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; wrote: