update on 2012 - WikiLovesMonuments

Nina Wikipedia

16 Jan 16 Jan

4:30 p.m.

I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way? Nina Sendt fra min iPad Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 22:58 skrev Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>:

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Hi all, I guess it is time for a small update! Some work has been done already, but mainly behind the screens and as a follow up of what was discussed in Amsterdam in December. You can find already some start of documentation on what Wiki Loves Monuments is/will be like on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Documen… (some things to be decided) and you will find an initial timeline for the international organization on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline (thank you Tomasz!). An advised timeline for local organizing will follow at the same page, but it might be helpful to just scroll through it and appreciate the work ahead :) If you want to get started with organizing Wiki Loves Monuments in your country, please don't hesitate to start making preperations! September 2012 is closer than you think. Past experiences teach that especially getting the infrastructure on the wiki (including getting the official lists) is the most time consuming task which has to happen ahead of time. For now, please add your country to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 if you didn't do so yet. I am also happy to be able to say that four volunteers with a lot of 2011 experience have been found to form a core coordination team for 2012 - Maarten (Multichill), Elke (Elya), Tomasz (Odder) and myself will be trying to coordinate efforts. Of course the main workload will still lay with the national teams and also internationally any help will be appreciated. We will do extra our best to create good documentation and I hope that you all will ask your questions here and on the wiki in a timely manner - that way we can avoid last minute discussions, misunderstanding and other issues. Communication is always a challange, so I hope you will help with that. Also, the board of Wikimedia Nederland has indicated to be willing to be the budget holder for WLM 2012, and be the official organizer for the international contest - you shouldn't notice a lot of that as long as things go well, but we simply need an organization to be able to sign off on things (such as a world record attempt ;-) ). If there are no major objections, I'll ask the WMNL board to make that official soon. Also, we're trying to find the best way possible to ensure there is a good communication and task management on an international level. Last year we found in the evaluation that this was a bottle neck which caused several other things to go imperfect, so we're trying to find a way to give some professional support to the international coordination - that way we can make sure holes are being filled and there is a backbone present. I hope that will help make things run more smoothly that way. I hope that 2012 will be an even greater contest - seeing all the interested countries from over the world I am both enthusiastic and a little intimidated - I hope we can set off a wonderful international event. With kind regards, Lodewijk _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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Nina Wikipedia

4:57 p.m.

New subject: Lists

We need to have articels of the monuments too, and to write about parts of a monument we must have pictures to confirm descriptions. Nina Sendt fra min iPad Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 23:42 skrev Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>nl>:

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Hi Nina, Op 16-1-2012 23:30, Nina Wikipedia schreef:

I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way?

To be able to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments you need to know what buildings in your country are a monument. That's something every country needs to do. I started documentation about this at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/How_to… . It's a start with an outline at the moment, but it gives an idea. I would like to invite people to help expand and improve it so other countries can learn from your experiences. Maarten _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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Jane Darnell

12:01 p.m.

Nina, This subject has been mentioned a few times on this list. The problem with monuments that have already disappeared is that there is no "unique identifier" for them (unless the monuments list has not been updated!). For monuments that are destroyed or torn down after WLM, I guess the Wikimedia Commons pictures can remain as an archive, but their "unique identifier" will probably eventually disappear from our lists and the pictures will no longer be used on Wikipedia at all (unless they were used in a separate article, for whatever reason). I suppose we could create a new category called "Former Monuments" or something like that to put such pictures in, since they technically no longer belong to the set of monuments we refer to as "the database". To do this we probably need to add a new template. That takes care of the case "WLM photo was already uploaded during a WLM competition, but the monument has since been destroyed or torn down". I don't see how newly uploaded pictures of former monuments can be eligible for the photograph competition unless we have unique identifiers. Does anyone have any ideas on this? I agree with Nina that this could be interesting from a cultural heritage standpoint. I just don't see how we can include this in the project. Jane 2012/1/16, Nina Wikipedia <nina.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>om>:

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I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way? Nina Sendt fra min iPad Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 22:58 skrev Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>:

Hi all, I guess it is time for a small update! Some work has been done already, but mainly behind the screens and as a follow up of what was discussed in Amsterdam in December. You can find already some start of documentation on what Wiki Loves Monuments is/will be like on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Documen… (some things to be decided) and you will find an initial timeline for the international organization on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline (thank you Tomasz!). An advised timeline for local organizing will follow at the same page, but it might be helpful to just scroll through it and appreciate the work ahead :) If you want to get started with organizing Wiki Loves Monuments in your country, please don't hesitate to start making preperations! September 2012 is closer than you think. Past experiences teach that especially getting the infrastructure on the wiki (including getting the official lists) is the most time consuming task which has to happen ahead of time. For now, please add your country to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 if you didn't do so yet. I am also happy to be able to say that four volunteers with a lot of 2011 experience have been found to form a core coordination team for 2012 - Maarten (Multichill), Elke (Elya), Tomasz (Odder) and myself will be trying to coordinate efforts. Of course the main workload will still lay with the national teams and also internationally any help will be appreciated. We will do extra our best to create good documentation and I hope that you all will ask your questions here and on the wiki in a timely manner - that way we can avoid last minute discussions, misunderstanding and other issues. Communication is always a challange, so I hope you will help with that. Also, the board of Wikimedia Nederland has indicated to be willing to be the budget holder for WLM 2012, and be the official organizer for the international contest - you shouldn't notice a lot of that as long as things go well, but we simply need an organization to be able to sign off on things (such as a world record attempt ;-) ). If there are no major objections, I'll ask the WMNL board to make that official soon. Also, we're trying to find the best way possible to ensure there is a good communication and task management on an international level. Last year we found in the evaluation that this was a bottle neck which caused several other things to go imperfect, so we're trying to find a way to give some professional support to the international coordination - that way we can make sure holes are being filled and there is a backbone present. I hope that will help make things run more smoothly that way. I hope that 2012 will be an even greater contest - seeing all the interested countries from over the world I am both enthusiastic and a little intimidated - I hope we can set off a wonderful international event. With kind regards, Lodewijk _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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Jane Darnell

12:24 p.m.

Nina, The meeting in Amsterdam was very helpful. Hopefully you can make it to another one. Face-to-face contact is still the fastest form of communication for these things. I am sorry to hear about that church and I agree it would be great to get more pictures of the church. Perhaps at the bottom of the page you could make a request for pictures with a link to the talk page that explains how to upload pictures (the commons uploader for WLM 2011 still works, so you can inlcude that with the identifier already filled in). Something like "This church burned on <date>. If you would like to donate your pictures of this church to the archive, click here" Jane 2012/1/17, Nina Wikipedia <nina.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>om>:

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If we have good documentation of a church who are in the lists today and it burns down tomorrow its still the same monument. This is the case here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B8nefoss_Church I would love to have more pictures inside and outside. A set of pictures in WLM would help very much. Not only single photos but a set documenting the building. I am sorry I was not able to attend Amsterdam and tell you that time it´s easier to explain talking than writing. Nina nina.wikipedia(a)gmail.com Den 17. jan. 2012 kl. 19:01 skrev Jane Darnell:

Nina, This subject has been mentioned a few times on this list. The problem with monuments that have already disappeared is that there is no "unique identifier" for them (unless the monuments list has not been updated!). For monuments that are destroyed or torn down after WLM, I guess the Wikimedia Commons pictures can remain as an archive, but their "unique identifier" will probably eventually disappear from our lists and the pictures will no longer be used on Wikipedia at all (unless they were used in a separate article, for whatever reason). I suppose we could create a new category called "Former Monuments" or something like that to put such pictures in, since they technically no longer belong to the set of monuments we refer to as "the database". To do this we probably need to add a new template. That takes care of the case "WLM photo was already uploaded during a WLM competition, but the monument has since been destroyed or torn down". I don't see how newly uploaded pictures of former monuments can be eligible for the photograph competition unless we have unique identifiers. Does anyone have any ideas on this? I agree with Nina that this could be interesting from a cultural heritage standpoint. I just don't see how we can include this in the project. Jane 2012/1/16, Nina Wikipedia <nina.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>om>:

I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way? Nina Sendt fra min iPad Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 22:58 skrev Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>:

Hi all, I guess it is time for a small update! Some work has been done already, but mainly behind the screens and as a follow up of what was discussed in Amsterdam in December. You can find already some start of documentation on what Wiki Loves Monuments is/will be like on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Documen… (some things to be decided) and you will find an initial timeline for the international organization on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline (thank you Tomasz!). An advised timeline for local organizing will follow at the same page, but it might be helpful to just scroll through it and appreciate the work ahead :) If you want to get started with organizing Wiki Loves Monuments in your country, please don't hesitate to start making preperations! September 2012 is closer than you think. Past experiences teach that especially getting the infrastructure on the wiki (including getting the official lists) is the most time consuming task which has to happen ahead of time. For now, please add your country to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 if you didn't do so yet. I am also happy to be able to say that four volunteers with a lot of 2011 experience have been found to form a core coordination team for 2012 - Maarten (Multichill), Elke (Elya), Tomasz (Odder) and myself will be trying to coordinate efforts. Of course the main workload will still lay with the national teams and also internationally any help will be appreciated. We will do extra our best to create good documentation and I hope that you all will ask your questions here and on the wiki in a timely manner - that way we can avoid last minute discussions, misunderstanding and other issues. Communication is always a challange, so I hope you will help with that. Also, the board of Wikimedia Nederland has indicated to be willing to be the budget holder for WLM 2012, and be the official organizer for the international contest - you shouldn't notice a lot of that as long as things go well, but we simply need an organization to be able to sign off on things (such as a world record attempt ;-) ). If there are no major objections, I'll ask the WMNL board to make that official soon. Also, we're trying to find the best way possible to ensure there is a good communication and task management on an international level. Last year we found in the evaluation that this was a bottle neck which caused several other things to go imperfect, so we're trying to find a way to give some professional support to the international coordination - that way we can make sure holes are being filled and there is a backbone present. I hope that will help make things run more smoothly that way. I hope that 2012 will be an even greater contest - seeing all the interested countries from over the world I am both enthusiastic and a little intimidated - I hope we can set off a wonderful international event. With kind regards, Lodewijk _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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Platonides

23 Jan 23 Jan

4:05 p.m.

On 17/01/12 19:01, Jane Darnell wrote:

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I suppose we could create a new category called "Former Monuments" or something like that to put such pictures in, since they technically no longer belong to the set of monuments we refer to as "the database". To do this we probably need to add a new template. That takes care of the case "WLM photo was already uploaded during a WLM competition, but the monument has since been destroyed or torn down".

I don't see a problem with that. We can continue using the old identifier. It would just have a note about it no longer existing. It's just like old photos of monuments. We had some of them on WLM 2011. And it's really nice to receive such old photos.

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I don't see how newly uploaded pictures of former monuments can be eligible for the photograph competition unless we have unique identifiers. Does anyone have any ideas on this? I agree with Nina that this could be interesting from a cultural heritage standpoint. I just don't see how we can include this in the project. Jane

Appropiate identifiers are also a problem for existing monuments. Sometimes they aren't given a proper one, or they just declared heritage all castles in X region, without providing any identifier at all.

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