Hello Jane,
I recently started with collecting the deletion request pages in the categories for
Belgium and Luxembourg, France exists longer. This just the top of the iceberg, but is a
start to get insight how big the problem is. Many earlier deletion requests still need to
be put in the categories.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sorted_deletion_requests
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Thu, 9/22/11, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com
wrote:
From: Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] FOP-Research urgently needed
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
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Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 9:35 AM
Lodewijk,
I totally agree with you (a big Hurrah for FOP in NL!!) and let me just say how impressed
I am with the result so far despite problems such
as the ones Yaroslav mentions. Browsing the photo's daily as they come
in, I am often awed at the inspiring "monuments" that are being added to
Commons. I am also highly impressed at the number of new users (thanks
to the tool by Nuno I have an impression of how many of these there
are).
I shudder to think about the reactions of users when they see a request for deletion with
a "NO FOP" message - is there any way we can get admins to somehow link to the
proper explanation in the user's language? Or perhaps the deletion requests can be
forwarded to some WLM intermediary? How big IS this problem? I wish I could see how often
this is happening, because I would hate to see our new users disillusioned so quickly in
their Wiki Commons upload experience.
Jane
2011/9/22 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
We should definitely stick to our usual procedures on Commons - and make sure that the law
is followed. Of course WLM is a good argument why Freedom of Panorama is a Good Thing but
that is another discussion.
It would be very helpful if uploaders can early in the prrocess identify which buildings
will be protected, and which are possible to be photographed of course.
Lodewijk (who is very happy that NL has Freedom of Panorama)
No dia 22 de Setembro de 2011 11:24, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>
escreveu:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:54:28 +0400, Анастасия Львова
<stasielvova(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
<putevod(a)mccme.ru>
wrote:
> as far as I understand, it was one of the
> main barriers which delayed the participation of
Russia.
No. The problem was a base with a Lenin monuments of
XIX century. Fear
of lack of FOP is one of the reasons of small activity
of existing
users - so we have big activity of new users. We see
that they make
mistakes in this area, but even from them the count of
errors is very
small and the jury given the task to solve it
carefully.
Well, I obviously have smth to say about this - and I will post it on
October 1, so that we do not get distracted from the current activity. But
just to mention it, the database has a number of typos (like the one you
cite), what is more important, it has a big number of more serious errors -
the monuments which are still protected by law and included in the database
but do not factually exist. The point is that this is not so much an
obstacle for running WLM, since hardly anybody would provide monuments of
non-existing monuments, and if someone would, this could be a major
success. (I think if we could collect in such a way free images of wooden
churches burned in Arkhangelsk Oblast in 1970s-1980s it would be great). On
the other hand, the FoP is a real issue - the images which violate FoP are
subject to deletion on Commons, and you do not want a new user to start
his/her participation in Wikipedia with a deletion review notice on his/her
talk page. The fraction of non-free images is obviously small, since most
of the monuments of cultural heritage protected in Russia were created
before 1917 and thus are PD-RusEmpire. I believe (but did not check) that
this fraction is even lower in Saint-Petersburg.
Cheers
Yaroslav
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