I'm german speaking and I'm still confused about the many german templates
;)
If you have an excel it looks for me that you "just" need to create the
lists with the german names in it & fr (ie by using
) and then translate it, am I
right? I don't think we can find a good solution to autotranslate german
proper names. Perhaps you could translate some common names (ie Pfarrkirche
<-> Église paroissiale <-> Chiesa Parrocchiale) before you create the lists?
Best, Alex
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Charles Andrès <
charles.andres.wmch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that I haven't been really clear,
I'm not talking about missing unique identifier (KGS 666), I'm talking
about the names of the monuments, (church of saint wiki).
*There is no list in French or Italian *to be added for now because we do
not know how to fix the problem that we have only names in german, even for
french and italian cantons. The only place we have *most* of this
original name is an excel sheet.
There is thousands of german templates, it's more than confusing for
french and italian too :-D
Thanks
Charles
Le 27 août 2013 à 20:57, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> a écrit :
Hi Charles,
Op 27-8-2013 20:01, Charles Andrès schreef:
Dear all, I put in copy the WLM main list to help us to fix this
situation.
I believe Beat, Alex and Jean-Fred were already working on this.
* The new lists need to be added to the database (done by Alex)
* The items without an identifier need to be found and given the same
temporary identifier (I believe Jean-Fred wrote a script for that)
* Some SQL magic needs to be done so that the other languages fallback to
German entries if no English/French/Italian entry is available (I can do
that)
We seem to have loads of different templates in German and that's very
confusing to me:
*
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Kulturg%C3%BCter_Schweiz_Tabellenzeil… in
the database)
*
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Denkmalliste_Schweiz_Tabellenzeile(ch in the
database)
*
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Denkmalliste2_Schweiz_Tabellenzeile(c… in the
database)
*
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Denkmalliste2_Schweiz-ZH_Tabellenzeil… in the
database)
Maarten
The status today in Switrzerland is that we have a big set of lists in
the German Wikipedia, and two sets of list in the Italian and French
Wikipedia that do not follow the same editorial choice. The important point
is that the content is really different, and we can not obviously use so
different list for a national contest.
We may copy and paste the german list in commons or FR and IT wikipedia,
then translate the list name and templates, but we would have to manually
check the name of the more than 6000 object because the german list have
only name in german.
We have excel sheets with most of the monuments with Original name.
My question is the following :
-can we copy paste the list in FR and IT wikipedia, and fixing the name
in the same time or,
-or work directly in the WLM database, by duplicating the german list for
the french and italian , and afterwards replace the object name by the ones
in the excel sheet (need to check KGS number and canton for duplicate)
Thanks to all
Charles
Le 26 août 2013 à 23:14, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann(a)bfh.ch> a écrit :
Hi Charles,****
The lists on German Wikipedia containing KGS A and B objects contain more
objects than the Excel Sheet from FB KGS. This is due to the fact that the
Wikipedia entries were first generated based on the PDF-files available on
the KGS website and then complemented by entries from the Excel sheets.
Entries that are present in the PDF files but missing in the Excel sheet
haven’t been deleted from the Wikipedia lists. – This is because the Excel
Sheet represents work in progress that needs to be double-checked by the
cantons before the next version of the PDF is produced.****
Furthermore, for some cantons, German Wikipedia contains lists of objects
that are protected at the cantonal level but are not recognized at KGS A or
B objects. – So there are several thousands of objects in the list that are
not included in the Excel Sheet.****
Cheers,****
Beat****
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I have one question about the list, I don't remember having seen the
answer.****
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what is the overlapping between the KGS list in the excel sheet and the
german list, 100% exact same size, 100% but more in one of the two sets?**
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