So that would be similar to last year's situation, right? Last year the theme was GLAM, and only a tiny fraction of buildings in use by GLAM are listed as monuments - in some countries even less than in others. 

It does make it more important to communicate the definition very clearly though. We should make clear that monuments can only participate in this special category if they are *both* listed as a monument (with the local definition), as well as related to the first world war. 

Nicolas: I think you have a good point with regards to Freedom of Panorama! When talking about specially designed memorials in non-FoP countries, that would potentially indeed be a problem. Not sure if it would be a huge problem, but it is indeed unfortunate.

Lodewijk


2013/7/23 Bas vb <bas_v_b@hotmail.com>
Maarten Deneckere, Allmost every war monument in Flanders is indeed a listed monuments (at least in my small sample each municipality had around 5 of them). But in Wallonie the situation is very different, in the 12 municipalities I've checked only one of them had a war memorial listed. 

So that is the biggest problem imo Lodewijk. There is really a lot of these war memorials out there but only in some regions these are in fact listed monuments.

Mvg,

Bas

From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:23:56 +0200

To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition

Hiya all,

thanks for the feedback. Of course no topic is going to be perfectly distributed through countries, that goes equally for GLAM and art nouveau. However, please note that the definition is pretty wide here. Monuments (listed buildings, whatever) *related to* WW1. That could also include a building that had a special function during WW1 (War office?), or someone very relevant to WW1 lived there around that time. It can be honor fields, grave yards, memorials for the unknown soldier (if listed) etc. Obviously countries like Germany and France will have more heritage on this than the Netherlands or Thailand. 

While there are some drawbacks, are there also big problems that you see with this topic? 

Best,
Lodewijk


2013/7/23 Maarten Deneckere <maartendeneckere@gmail.com>
Hey all,

I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg

I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.

Regards, Maarten


2013/7/23 Bas vb <basvb_wikipedia@live.nl>
Hi all,  

Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.

So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?

Mvg, 

Bas

> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200
> From: jane023@gmail.com
> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition

>
> Àlex,
> That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and
> memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them
> while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It
> was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France
> still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is
> left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my
> sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure
> out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a
> small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really
> wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no
> one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe
> this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any
> pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be
> fun to see what gets added in the contest.
>
> Jane
>
> 2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo <alexhinojo@gmail.com>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their
> > Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with
> > you:
> >
> > 1) Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
> > Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
> >
> > 2) Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
> > the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
> >
> > This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials
> > related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is
> > related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1]
> > designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1.
> > Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category
> > (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury
> > systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on
> > previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it
> > but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for
> > Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
> >
> >
> > We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and
> > questions on this.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Àlex Hinojo
> > @kippelboy
> >
> > [1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu
> > [2]
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012
> > [3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
> >
>
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