We're going a bit too fast here :) 

Yes, there are things to be improved when it comes to the jury process - I agree on that with Tomasz. However, I don't agree on the specifics. But Most importantly: this is not the time yet to discuss that. If we start hammering out these details now, we get in trouble later - lets do things in the right order, and get the participating countries on board first. Thén we can have a decent discussion about jury etc. Last year we had this discussion at our May meeting in Berlin, and I thought that timing was excellent. So lets wait until then with discussing that in detail - and just conclude for now there are things to be improved. It is unfair to the countries that will want to participate, but are not ready to do so *yet* (because they follow a time line ending in September 2012), if we start making decisions like this already. 

Lodewijk

No dia 12 de Dezembro de 2011 22:02, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com> escreveu:
Well this is why we should have prize money.
I would be willing to even donate a small amount for prizes for kosovo
if it was tax deductable (in germany where I live).
mike
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Strainu <strainu10@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/12/12 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>:
>> 2011/12/12 Maarten Dammers <maarten@mdammers.nl>
>>>
>>> > 2011/12/12 Yaroslav M. Blanter<putevod@mccme.ru>:
>>> >> I think this is a good direction, but I can not support the proposal in
>>> >> this form. What if we have just one crappy image? What if we have the
>>> >> image
>>> >> of the exterior, would we need the image of the interior? What if we
>>> >> have
>>> >> several monuments under one code?
>>>
>>> Let's put it a bit stronger. I would never support such a proposal. I
>>> support positive steering ("we encourage you to upload photo's of
>>> monuments that not yet have a (good) picture"), not negative steering
>>> ("WLM2011 we limit the eligible monuments to those without an image").
>
> Then you're bound to encounter the same kind of criticism as this year.
>
>> Yes, I agree that positive steering is better. We could have one of the
>> judging criteria to be uniqueness or value adding, and explain that when
>> images are similar in other criterias, the ones that bring in new aspects to
>> Commons will be regarded higher.
>
> What you want (and what people are saying on these pages) is a Commons
> contest, not a photo contest. That is, with a Wiki(p|m)edia jury and
> all. You can't reasonably expect to have professional photographers in
> the jury and ask them to rate based on the utility for a certain site.
>
> This would be a big step backwards from this year's contest in my
> opinion and a huge failed opportunity for a lot of content to be
> freed. I'm fairly sure many photographers will be reluctant to
> participate with hi res images.
>
> Strainu
>
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