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Onderwerp: [Toolserver-l] Monument databases to play around with
Datum: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:06:47 +0100
Van: Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>
Antwoord-naar: toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Aan: toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
For Wiki Loves Monuments
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments) I'm
harvesting information about monuments (cultural heritage) into a
database. These monuments can be found in the database p_erfgoed_p at
sql. The tables are in the form monuments_<countrycode> and there is one
table monuments_all in which all country tables are aggregated.
I hacked up something to show these monuments in Google Earth:
http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/monuments_test/ but my focus is more on
adding more countries and improving the data. So maybe someone else
feels like being creative with this data?
Maarten
Ps. Source at https://fisheye.toolserver.org/browse/erfgoed/erfgoedbot/
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Dear all,
thank you for your interest in Wiki Loves Monuments. There are in total 33
subscriptions to this mailing list, and that is much more than I hoped for
when we started this! I hope we can together set up a wonderful cooperation
on a European level - the first in its kind. I apologize for the (once
again) long email - there is just so much to write!
First of all, for those that might have missed it, let me refer to the
earlier post where I explained the concept I had in mind at the time: [1]
and the post mortem of Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 with a lot of helpful
information: [2]. I hope this e-mail will clarify a bit where we are, and
where we are going.
Considering the high interest up to now, it seems very likely that we will
try to pull this off definitely! September seems rather far away still, but
please note there are some steps that take a lot of time (especially getting
the raw data and building lists and a community), so we really have to get
started soon to avoid stressing too much later on.
I will send in a week or two a more worked out concept of what Wiki Loves
Monuments could look like. I hope for your input up to that moment, and
after that as well.
There are a few important points I would like to share with you:
1) Wiki Loves Monuments EU 2011 will be organized in a federative way - that
means that you are responsible for organizing a contest in your own country.
Ideally following similar principles, but there will be a lot of own
responsibility. We do want to make it easier for you though, so if you need
advise, we will be available; technical infrastructure can of course be
shared.
2) If you are interested to participate, even if you do not know for sure
yet, or if there are dependencies, please share that information! We created
a table on Wikimedia Commons, [3], please fill that table with the
information available for your country! Especially the chapter contact and
the "want to do WLM" columns. If you have doubts and need advise, just start
a new thread on this mailing list and we can all help each other.
3) Getting the monument info. As explained at [2], addresses etc for the
monuments to create lists from is crucial for organizing a successful Wiki
Loves Monuments. Our experience is that the organizations governing this
data are not very protective, and might be very enthusiast if we want to use
it in a disclosing way. If you want to run a Wiki Loves Monuments in your
country, you need this data. First step is to find out which organization in
your country has the rights to release this data. Second is to see if you
have any (direct or indirect) connections to that organization. If you have,
please approach the organization yourself, and share your experiences with
other chapters! If you do not have any contacts, and your only option is a
"cold call" - then please contact Wikimedia Nederland (through Maarten
Dammers) - we have several enthusiast partners which have good contacts with
sister organizations in other European countries. They might be able to
provide contact details of the right person. We probably need a few days up
to a week to get you that information.
4) In general: please communicate a lot and swiftly through this list. Most
likely multiple countries will encounter similar problems which we never
thought of in the Netherlands - please share them, and don't think you will
be the only one.
5) A good thing to keep in mind, probably stating the obvious, this is a
typical project where a chapter can only /facilitate/ the community. There
is a high dependency on volunteer activity on the project, and if there is
no interest from volunteers for this, don't start with it.
6) If you need any kind of advice, just ask for it. Maarten and I (and
probably many others) are willing to help out in any way possible - if
necessary to get your community motivated, we could come and give a
workshop/brainstorm session for a day or so (February might be a good month
for that), but please approach us quickly about that! If you have any out of
the box ideas on this, share them!
I look forward to any replies and input, lets make this list alive! I would
appreciate it if every chapter that actually read the whole email would just
make its presense known, so that we know how many chapters are here and
listening, and who needs to be approached privately once again.
Best,
lodewijk
[1]:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2010-December/00000…
[2]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
Hello,
With Fanny ([[User:Inisheer]]), we've made a little promotional video about
Wiki loves monuments.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_loves_monuments.ogg
Since I've new ideas for an other vidéo, but I need some helps !!! My idea
is between this first video and *Where the hell is Matt ?*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
So I find photo a Wikimedians photographers in work all around the world
with monuments behind there. It will be good with famous monuments (St.
Patrick's Cathedral of New-York, Machu Pichu, Brandebourg Gate, Great Wall
of China, Great Pyramid of Giza, etc.) but also with unknows monuments (a
little church, a statue, a stone gate, etc, etc.).
It's not necessary to travel a lot. Make that in your country. I will try to
use mailing lists of chapters and Foundation to have photos.
Thanks a lot for your helps !
Ludovic
Hi everyone,
At
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
and
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
we're talking about structured lists. You might wonder: How do I make
these structured lists? In this post I will try to explain how to do it.
It's actually not that difficult to create :-)
I will take Switzerland as an example. Their system is described at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Inventory_of_Cultural_Property_of_Nation…
.
We're going to create or convert tables. For this we need to know the
fields to include. Some important fields:
* id - the unique id assigned by the local registry, this is the primary key
* name - name of the object (or a description)
* address - the address of the object
* municipality - the municipality in which the object lies
* lat - the latitude
* lon - the longitude
* image - image of the object
You can of course add more fields and the name of the fields should
probably be in the local language.
The fields I used for the Swiss monuments are:
* image
* name
* address
* municipality
* CH1903_X (they use a strange lat/lon system in Switzerland)
* CH1903_Y
* KGS_nr - this is the unique id
Now we need to make two templates
* A header template which is going to be at the start of each table
* A row template. One row per monument containing all the information.
These templates make the lists look pretty and make it possible for a
bot to harvest the information (more about that at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_sys…
).
For Switzerland I created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SIoCPoNaRS_header and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SIoCPoNaRS_row .
Now we got the base of the template system. If you don't have any lists
yet you have to get a dataset to start from scratch. If you already have
lists you need to convert them. If you're lucky some bot operator is
able to convert a lot of the lists automagicly with complicated regular
expressions. With the Swiss lists I was able to convert quite a lot with
a bot, see for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_property_of_national_signific…
(check the source and history).
The remaining items need to be fixed manually, you should mobilize some
users to help out.
Now you have structured lists! This is where I stand now with the Swiss
project. I will do a follow up most when I got some of the nice tools
working so we can actually make use of these structured lists.
Any questions?
Maarten
Hello everybody !
I'm Benoît Evellin, member of WIkimédia France, known on the projects as
User:Trizek. I'm involved on the Monuments historiques projects on
French Wikipedia.
Regards,
--
Benoît Evellin
Membre de Wikimédia France
www.wikimedia.fr
Forwarding the initial mail Lodewijk and I send out.
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Onderwerp: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
Datum: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:20:15 +0100
Van: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
Antwoord-naar: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed
subscription) <internal-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Aan: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed
subscription) <internal-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves
Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves
Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when
many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this
event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient
chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward*
to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the
Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500
submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post
mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1].
However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which canbe
photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then
in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we
are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill
project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for
every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per
province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress.
This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big
problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter,managed to get a
dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments- 60.000
buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the
"Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage
organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten"
project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project.
The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on
the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding
missing information or adding photo's.
InJune2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo
scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful(5.400
photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts
with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's
homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The
"Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to
organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an
idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course.
Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands
into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves
Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with
cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European
level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some
consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would
be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries
and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30September 2011, and
participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are
part of the object list. This object list includes the address and
ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to
participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes
available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each
could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the
post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it
would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects,
create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support
you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community
involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both
external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a
clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a
jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example
press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community
motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first
of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members,
community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to
run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to
do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners
(who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are
there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are
already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in
that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant
links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
<http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu> and are in touch with CARARE and
Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be
interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage
organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context
and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country
would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could
release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of
such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be
interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough
enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to
coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions.
We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters,
and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter
cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but
that you think you would like to participate. You can also join
#wikilovesmonuments
<http://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonuments>on freenode irc
of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers
Lodewijk Gelauff
[0]: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments
[1]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
[2]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Art_Netherlands
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_sys…