From: Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: September 26, 2007 2:08:04 AM GMT+03:30
To: anthere(a)wikimedia.org
Cc: Sabine Cretella <scretella(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Erik Moeller
<erik(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Sandra Ordonez <sordonez(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Cary
Bass <cbass(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Hessam Armandeh <armandeh(a)gmail.com>om>,
Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)openprogress.org>
Subject: Re: fa.wikipedia and me wearing two hats this time
Florence Devouard wrote:
Sabine Cretella wrote:
Just a short flashback to what happened -
Anthere, Erik and
Sandra already know about this, but I don't know if Sue and Cary
know - but since they also deal with the fundraiser I would like
to inform them as well.
Last year Open Progress received a project for the creation of
contents for fa.wikipedia. Preparation time was very short, so
the only viable way then was to translate articles from
en.wikipedia. This was done. There were of course some
discussions with the community and in a chat with Anthere, Erik,
two of the translators (Kurosh and Reza), Hessam and another
wikipedian from fa.wikipedia, Gerard and me we agreed that the
articles were uploaded in a special namespace on fa.wikipedia.
The articles are there.
Now we have the situation that we have a donor who would pay an
amount of 10 EUR in donations to the WMF if the community of
fa.wikipedia looks at the articles, changes what needs changing,
adds three incoming links and three outgoing links (blue links) -
for 5 further blue outgoing links 1 EUR per article would be
added. We would like to avoid to work with people who are not in
wikimedia community here - and if possible also in future.
Therefore we believe that this is a way how the community can
freely work on articles without feeling that something is imposed
from outside (like they felt last time) since it is up to them to
decide how these articles are going to be integrated.
The thought was that people in Iran cannot donate easily to WMF,
but by helping to get these articles right and moving them into
the main namespace we have a double effect: the work done was not
useless, the articles get integrated into fa.wikipedia and the
WMF will get the available money in terms of a donation.
We are talking about 147 articles - that is approx. 1470 EUR for
the foundation (or 147 EUR more depending on the outgoing links -
or better wikilinks that lead to other articles).
Eventually in future there could be other contents creation
projects from our first donor - what I would like to do at this
stage is really try to get into a good co-operation with people
from fa.wikipedia who at this very moment probably don't see me
in the best light. Well this can change. I hope they will
understand that we are for involving them to avoid other ways of
doing things and to get the money instead of getting them to
translators to the WMF.
I wrote first of all Hessam to know his opinion about dealing
with it this way: he would communicate the "adapt and move"
project to the fa.wikipedia community and then we would see how
things go.
So... this is the first time me wearing two hats ... Wikimedia
Foundation and Open Progress. I know there will be other
circumstances where I will need to do this and it is not always
easy.
I hope this way of dealing with this meet your approval.
Hessam: please do not publish for now. I would like to wait two
days if there is any opposition or other proposals by anybody who
is copied in this mail. Thank you for helping :-) that's really
great.
For now have a nice evening!
Going to get the kids to bed ...
Best wishes from Italy,
Sabine
Hello,
I am sorry if I appear a bit obtuse, but I am not sure I fully
understand what the proposal is. Can you clarify ?
From what I understand
1) 147 articles were translated in farsi, from english wikipedia,
by two professional translators, who were paid by Open Progress
2) the translated articles were not put in the main space, but set
up in a separate namespace.
(this was about a year ago. I remember there were some
disagreements from the fa community, who did not want to accept
the articles)
3) a donor wants to give 1470 EUR (more or less) to WMF, to make
sure the articles would be completed (with links) and moved to the
main space
What I do not understand is
A) do you expect the WMF to pay 10 euros to the translators to
move and complete the articles ?
B) do you expect the WMF to pay some editors to move and complete
the articles ?
C) do you expect the move to happen all by itself, and WMF simply
keep the donation ?
D) something else ?
In short, will someone be paid ?
By who ?
Who will coordinatate the move and completion ?
Who will decide the job is well done ?
Should the links be "controlled" by the donor ?
Who is paying ? Open Progress or WMF ? What is Open Progress role
here ?
Anthere
Thanks Florence. I was hesitant to jump in, thinking I am simply
late to the conversation. But those are the questions I have too :-)