Hi, I will write inbetween the lines :-)
Florence Devouard schrieb:
I am sorry if I appear a bit obtuse, but I am not sure I fully understand what the proposal is. Can you clarify ?
From what I understand
1) 147 articles were translated in farsi, from english wikipedia, by two professional translators, who were paid by Open Progress
2) the translated articles were not put in the main space, but set up in a separate namespace.
(this was about a year ago. I remember there were some disagreements from the fa community, who did not want to accept the articles)
3) a donor wants to give 1470 EUR (more or less) to WMF, to make sure the articles would be completed (with links) and moved to the main space
What I do not understand is
A) do you expect the WMF to pay 10 euros to the translators to move and complete the articles ?
No Open Progress will receive the money and it will be paid to WMF after conclusion of the move and insertion of links.
B) do you expect the WMF to pay some editors to move and complete the articles ?
No WMF does not have to do anything - this mail was just to inform you about what is going on. We don't want to do things without you knowing about it.
C) do you expect the move to happen all by itself, and WMF simply keep the donation ?
Open Progress wants to co-operate with fa.wikipedia in this case. This means we agree on a feasable period of time in which things should be done - for example one month. What is done after that period is going to be paid for - what not: well, that than depends on who wants to donate the money.
D) something else ?
In short, will someone be paid ?
WMF will get money in terms of a donation if we can co-operate with fa.wikipedia. Another solution for the donor could be to pay people outside even not through us, something we would like to avoid. co-operation brings better results.
By who ?
Open Progress will receive the money from the donor and will pay it then to the WMF.
Who will coordinatate the move and completion ?
Open Progress together with the fa.wikipedia community.
Who will decide the job is well done ?
We have various people who can look at it - among these one person in the donor's office and of course the translators who originally did the job - of course we can also contact some more people in universities etc. I suppose that if we have a close co-operation with fa.wikipedia and Hessam things will simply go smoothly. I mean that after having had not so nice discussions with Hessam in the past and having had also very positive ones on the other hand I know him good enough to be sure that we will get a good job on the way since he will simply talk if there is anything that does create a problem. That is: I trust him to do really good in this.
Should the links be "controlled" by the donor ?
Well the links are quite easy to control - even for people not speaking Persian. You have the list of incoming wikilinks by clicking on "What links here" and one can easily see the blue outgoing links and just count if there are three or eight. Even I could do that and probably I will be asked to do it.
I guess my question was not clear... Let me say it differently.
What will the donor get in exchange of giving the money ? Will he name the articles he wants improved ? Will he have a say on the final articles ? Will he get a link to a certain website as a "thank you" ?
If I understand well, you are not waiting anything from WMF ? Simply informing us ? Right ?
Who is paying ? Open Progress or WMF ? What is Open Progress role here ?
Open Progress has just a co-ordinating role. We will, also in future have situations when there is funding through a donor who wants to get certain things done and instead of involving people from outside we would very much like to reach the situation that instead of paying single people the money can go to the WMF as a donation. The donor may be a person or organisation that wants to remian anonymous or a person or organisation that can be publicly mentioned. It is one of many ways to get funding on the way - this is one of the first experiences with it, for the WMF and for Open Progess. We should try to make it a positive experience for all by co-operating in the best way possible.
We will have a meeting on Friday morning concerning this. I am obviously involved since I co-ordinated the project last year. It would be great if we could already give the OK for a "we can do it by co-operating with fa.wikipedia".
Does this help? Please don't hesitate to ask further questions if something is still not clear. Often things might seem obvious to me, but they are not too all.
Thanks and have a great day!
Ciao, Sabine