Please cite one example of when he has tried? He was banned as Lir for his lack of cooperation. He was banned as Vera Cruz for his lack of cooperation. He was given several opportunities to anounce on this very list that he would change, and refused to do so. He came in as Susan Mason and began making demands that several article titles be changed just because he wanted them changed, just as he had done as Lir, when he demanded that all names of foreigners be written by their names in their native languages, rather than by their names as they're known by English speakers. That's several chances, and he's blown it every time. Again, how many does he need? Zoe Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote: Although I have not spent a lot of time on the "hot" issues, I become more than a little annoyed with the perpetual obsessive sniping over Lir and his/her several reincarnations. These often seem founded on the principle that if you barely suspect that Lir is involved then a presumption of guilt must apply. There is absolutely no room for Lir to redeem himself, no matter how much he tries. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Yes, Oliver, please name names. And then go back and look at the posts Lir made that got him banned in the first place, and the posts Vera Cruz made that got him banned in the second place, and the emails to this list where Jimbo said that if Lir returned to the Wikipedia, Jimbo might consider legal action. And then tell me that I don't have a right to make comments about "Susan Mason", who has been nothing but a thorn in the side of Wikipedia since his VERY FIRST post at [[Iowa State University]]. Zoe Oliver Pereira <omp199(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:Hello, I'd be interested to know what these alleged "personal attacks" and lack of "cooperative spirit" are. I haven't checked every single one of Susan Mason's edits, but I have looked at quite a few, and most have looked fairly useful to me. I've seen far worse personal attacks made *against* Susan Mason than by her, and furthermore more of a cooperative spirit in her lately than in some of those who have attacked her. Shall I name names and recommend *them* for banning? (Incidentally, if Susan Mason is Lir, then I understand that she's really been banned all along, so none of this is relevant; I am speaking only of the edits under the name "Susan Mason", viewed without prejudice.) Oliver P.S. - Yes, I know Lir was a "he", but I can't be bothered about correctly gendered pronouns at the moment... On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Poor, Edmund W wrote: +-------------------------------------------+ | Oliver Pereira | | Dept. of Electronics and Computer Science | | University of Southampton | | omp199(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk | +-------------------------------------------+ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!