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Phoenix wiki

15 Nov 2007 15 Nov '07

9:26 p.m.

There's going to be yet another fight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide… hope you enjoy it Phoenix-wiki

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David Gerard

15 Nov 15 Nov

9:33 p.m.

On 15/11/2007, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There's going to be yet another fight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide… hope you enjoy it

As the blocking admin ... I think that any admin who would see [[User:Privatemusings]] and unblock has, um, bulletproof assumption of good faith. - d.

u/n - adrianm

9:36 p.m.

I trust that you all saw my post on this issue, that clarified why Private Musings was in all of this trouble, that it was all a set up by a Wikipedia Review member named Kato. On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:33:00 +0000 "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 15/11/2007, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

There's going to be yet another fight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide… hope you enjoy it

As the blocking admin ... I think that any admin who would see [[User:Privatemusings]] and unblock has, um, bulletproof assumption of good faith. - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Phoenix wiki

9:39 p.m.

On Nov 15, 2007 9:33 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 15/11/2007, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

There's going to be yet another fight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide…

hope you enjoy it

As the blocking admin ... I think that any admin who would see [[User:Privatemusings]] and unblock has, um, bulletproof assumption of good faith. <http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l>

Yeah, they would. This is just a not though, not challenging you Phoenix-wiki

Fred Bauder

9:40 p.m.

User:Petesmiles? I wonder how anyone came to that conclusion. Anyway, a righteous block, for all sorts of reasons. Fred

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There's going to be yet another fight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide… hope you enjoy it Phoenix-wiki _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

G Donato

10:08 p.m.

Yeah, I agree with Fred, the user seemed more bother than they were worth (and I mean that in the nicest possible way) -GDonato Fred Bauder wrote:

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User:Petesmiles? I wonder how anyone came to that conclusion. Anyway, a righteous block, for all sorts of reasons. Fred

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Phoenix wiki

10:15 p.m.

What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account? Phoenix-wiki

David Gerard

10:19 p.m.

On 15/11/2007, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account?

I only blocked Privatemusings and flagged the others. I have no idea if any of the others are unblocked. If the person behind the accounts wants to sincerely show they can write an encyclopedia, then hey, why not. That's what we're after. Staying out of Wikipedia: page space as absolutely much as possible is a good idea as well - to do what one can in article and talk pages. (Advice for all of us, I suspect.) - d.

joshua.zelinsky＠yale.edu

10:21 p.m.

Quoting Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

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What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account?

Why not just go back to the original one? At this point I don't see what is gained by starting yet another account.

Sam Blacketer

10:21 p.m.

On Nov 15, 2007 10:15 PM, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account?

"Don't believe you" -- Sam Blacketer London E15

David Gerard

10:30 p.m.

On 15/11/2007, Sam Blacketer <sam.blacketer(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2007 10:15 PM, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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> What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and > just > start a over with only one account?

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"Don't believe you"

*cough* "Trust but verify." "Enough rope." It's not technically possible to thoroughly block people, as the sockpuppet hordes show, so soft security is actually required by the open environment. - d.

Will Beback

16 Nov 16 Nov

12:07 a.m.

Sam Blacketer wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2007 10:15 PM, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account?

"Don't believe you"

Privatemusings promised once before, without prompting, to stick to one account and then he posted under one of his old accounts two days later. -Will Beback

Steve Bennett

12:11 a.m.

On 11/16/07, Sam Blacketer <sam.blacketer(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2007 10:15 PM, Phoenix wiki <phoenix.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What would you guys say if he said he'd abandon his other accounts and just start a over with only one account?

"Don't believe you"

Presumably people like this can still edit anonymously, so some months from now, when they want to show us all the amazing work they've done while anonymous, we should take a look. Steve

Guy Chapman aka JzG

10:19 a.m.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:40:35 -0500 (EST), "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

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User:Petesmiles? I wonder how anyone came to that conclusion. Anyway, a righteous block, for all sorts of reasons.

"Acting on information received" as they say. Yes, a righteous block. Pity someone unblocked, really. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

George Herbert

6:32 p.m.

On Nov 16, 2007 2:19 AM, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote:

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:40:35 -0500 (EST), "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

User:Petesmiles? I wonder how anyone came to that conclusion. Anyway, a righteous block, for all sorts of reasons.

"Acting on information received" as they say. Yes, a righteous block. Pity someone unblocked, really. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

He spoke up from the one account which was left unblocked and said "I'd really rather use that one than this one". If you intended to block them all, you should have done that... I think we have plenty of precedent for letting people who are being restricted to one account pick which one they want to use going forwards. -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

Guy Chapman aka JzG

6:50 p.m.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:32:40 -0800, "George Herbert" <george.herbert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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He spoke up from the one account which was left unblocked and said "I'd really rather use that one than this one". If you intended to block them all, you should have done that...

I didn't block him. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

George Herbert

7:01 p.m.

On Nov 16, 2007 10:50 AM, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote:

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:32:40 -0800, "George Herbert" <george.herbert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

He spoke up from the one account which was left unblocked and said "I'd really rather use that one than this one". If you intended to block them all, you should have done that...

I didn't block him.

My apologies, I didn't check who'd done it before posting, and I spent yesterday head-down in a thorny political problem, a large technical test plan and some assorted shell scripts, and the E8 lattice. I saw the block/unblock but don't recall who did it, and mis-read your comment. -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

Guy Chapman aka JzG

7:25 p.m.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:01:20 -0800, "George Herbert" <george.herbert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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No problem. For the record, I think Privatemusings is a drama-only account and of strictly limited value to the project, but I won't be the one blocking him. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

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David Gerard
Fred Bauder
G Donato
George Herbert
Guy Chapman aka JzG
joshua.zelinsky＠yale.edu
Phoenix wiki
Sam Blacketer
Steve Bennett
u/n - adrianm
Will Beback