Whether he is "barely" deserving of a fair
treatment or otherwise,
nobody here has given him a fair treatment by any stretch of the
imagination.
That won't do.
I also have Phil's "circle the wagons" rant up above. He thinks
expansion kills online communities. I think he's right.
Expansion kills online communities because of people like Phil who
won't admit that they need to let go and they need to deal with the
new people coming in fairly. People like Phil who think that "shoot
them all unless they are exactly like us and make no noise
whatsoever" is the way to go about dealing with newbies.
Now you know why I went anonymous. If I didn't Phil would be
leading a charge to have me removed right now for saying that.
David and SlimVirgin's behaviour in this matter has been sub-par.
So has the behaviour of the rest of you on this list. This doesn't
just affect that one user. It affects everyone they tell about
Wikipedia. It affects everyone who agreed with them on one topic or
another at Wikipedia. I've only looked at the Enviroknot profile
for any length of time but based on its list of contributions there
was potential for a good editor. Solid edits were made and backed
up on talk pages, edit summaries and wikipedia policies were
properly referenced.
The only offense I can see in the Enviroknot profile is a pair of
3RR violations. The one SlimVirgin put in tonight is totally
unjustified. The one earlier when people were claiming Enviroknot
was also another IP address is pushing your luck.
Meanwhile, editors and administrators alike have been hounding that
profile looking for any excuse to attack it. None of you bothered
to set aside your feelings long enough to look at the situation.
That isn't right. The behaviour of all of you in this scenario is
making me sick to my stomach. I thought you were better than this.
If that's really Phil's attitude, then there's no way he should be
given power at Wikipedia. If the rest of you share that attitude,
then Wikipedia is doomed.
A.Nony.Mouse, for the purpose of this conversation.
From: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>
To: tempforcomments(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Recent goings-on
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:11:03 -0400
While I agree with your points with respect to admin behavior, I
wanted to point out that Enviroknot edits from the same IP as a known
block evading pest who keeps creating socks to support his position.
I think everyone deserves a fair treatment, but Enviroknott has made
that very difficult with his accusations, and is probably only barely
deserving of a fair treatment considering that it's almost certain
that he is a sock as claimed by others.
On 5/30/05, A Nony Mouse <tempforcomments(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
I have been watching the last week's events
with dismay. I have
been trying
to compose this email for two hours, but every
time I get close,
something
else comes up.
I have decided to make this anonymous. I do not know how some of
you would
react and I do not wish to take any chance that I
would be
harassed for
this.
There are two cases that bother me. Jack Lynch aka Sam Spade and
Cranston
Snord aka Enviroknot. Both of these cases scare
me because of
the precedent
that they have set.
In the case of Jack, there was a question of a block war.
Administrators
were fighting over what to do with him. This is
not a good thing
for
Wikipedia editors no matter who they are. It
indicates that the
user is less
of a concern than something between the two
Administrators.
It is the case of Cranston Snord aka Enviroknot that worries me
more. This
is the case that has made me take the drastic
step of sending an
email to
the list anonymously. I had originally been
trying to type up a
response to
Cranston's concerns about being blocked. I
believe that
SlimVirgin violated
policy by doing so. Unfortunately for me, such an
email would
likely now be
a day late and a dollar short.
Cranston was a disruption to the list, but much of that
disruption was
caused by other people on this list treating him
with incredible
disrespect.
I was taken aback by his accusations against
administrators but
having
looked at the cases in hand I believe that he has
a point.
There were emails on this list asking whether anyone was taking him
seriously. This is the height of arrogance, and it is something
that
frightens me. Administrators should never be
acting as if
ordinary editors
do not matter.
As for his complaints about being blocked, the dismissiveness on
this board
hurt me. No matter who it is making a complaint,
we have a duty to
investigate it. We are listed as the last resort for users who
have been
wronged. I took the time to investigate
SlimVirgin's blocking of
Enviroknot,
and I believe that it is not valid.
By the time I got to the discussion, it was a good series of
emails long,
and despite the number of list members who had
posted, none save
SlimVirgin
had bothered to address Enviroknot's concerns
on the block in
any way.
SlimVirgin herself made a bad judgement call. An
edit made in
good faith
should never be considered a reversion, even if
it contains some
content
that is included in a later reversion.
Instead of acknowledging this fact, the list members were
universally
dismissive of Enviroknot from the first email.
One went so far
as to demand
that the term "rogue admin" not be
used, without addressing the
reasons that
it had been brought up in multiple cases
recently.
We have a problem with administrators exceeding their authority on
Wikipedia. We have a problem with administrators not applying
policy
correctly. And we have a problem with arrogance
on these lists,
with
administrators believing that they are somehow
better than others.
With the increased power of administrator access comes a
responsibility to
use it fairly and adhere to the established
procedures and
policies. The
actions of an Administrator should themselves be
NPOV. We have
stated policy
that when a user is found to be violating policy,
if they return
and do not
break policy, their previous transgressions
should not be held
against them.
There are a number of administrators who are failing in that
responsibility,
and they are present on this list. One of them,
rather than
addressing
Enviroknot's concerns in a calm tone and
actually going over
policy, chose
to kickban Enviroknot entirely.
I have never until today been ashamed to be a part of Wikipedia,
but there
it is. Take it as you will.
A.Nony.Mouse, for the purpose of this conversation.
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