And as a FYI, Wikipedia will be a subject on NPR's Talk of the Nation between 19:00 and 20:00 UTC (2:00 and 3:00 est). They mentioned policy changes and recent events in the teaser.... -----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces(a)Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:27 PM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] About our disclaimer and what I wish... On 12/6/05, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote: Well, it's pretty obvious from the interview that she was out to get you. CNN's coverage evinces clear bias. We do need to work on your preinterview briefings, though.... It's been interesting to note the errors, minor and major, in the news coverage of this incident. One radio report in Chicagoland reported that Seigenthaler was a former Senator. At least one blog report demanded absolute accuracy -- while misspelling Seigenthaler's name consistently throughout. Almost all the print and electronic media articles I've seen misreport Wikipedia's URL as www.wikipedia.com (instead of .org). The conclusion I've reached is that the media is no more accurate than we are. I think it would be a really good idea to take the media coverage of this incident and identify all the errors in their coverage -- some of which reaches the level of libel itself (such as the one that says that Jimbo ignored Seigenthaler's entreaties for four months before bothering to act). Their house is no cleaner than ours. Kelly _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Kelly Martin wrote: That would be a great article on the nature of media accuracy; it could be widely circulated. I don't know if they coould handle having all these bubbles burst. Ec

The below is quite well stated, and sets a good example for how deal with this in a meta article. Would it make sense to have '[[Siegenthaler incident]]?' article on en.wiki? As always, NPOV would requires that we avoid unnecessarily diplomatic language. Someone could write a K5 article... Stevertigo --- Kelly Martin <kelly.lynn.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: At least __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

On 12/6/05, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote: There is an article at [[John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy]]. It is up for deletion. TD

Actually it is worse that they are no more accurate than we are. Our errors can be fixed in moments. Theirs exist in perpetuity. If someone had written this information about Seigenthaler on a geocities page it would have taken him a week to get removed and he'd still have no real idea who wrote it. They wouldn't even give up the IP address without a court order (as they shouldn't). (And while we are on the topic of mainstream media errors, in an article from last Thursday, December 1, in the feature article on the front page of the New York Times Business section, it said, and I quote, "The Samotlor oil field in Russia has a distinct shape and is easily discernable on a satellite image. It can be located quickly by searching the web or using a mapping program. Regardless, the *Soviet Union* continues to produce and distribute maps that obscure the locaitons of landmarks." My emphasis added. Just in case you get interviewed by the NYT, Jimbo.) FF On 12/6/05, Kelly Martin <kelly.lynn.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: