Ray Saintonge wrote
Conflicts of interest are a fact of life, and should
not in themselves
bar a person from editing a subject. It's more important that potential
conflicts of interest be declared so that the person's perspective is
clear.
The WP:COI page Geoffrey Kohs is attacking has had wording added recently, to cover just
that feature of 'declarations of interest'. It would be pleasant to have some
credit given for this, rather than the blanket condemnation.
I don't think WP should actually advise people whether to declare an interest or not.
The consequences are not calculable, and the onus is on a person to decide on pros and
cons. That is how the page treats the issue.
While neutrality is important, and articles should clearly
approach neutrality more closely with each edit,
no-one can completely
divorce himself from his own perspective on a controversial issue. A
person directly connected with a company may very well quote from the
company's PR material; that's fine because he can very well be an
authority on what the company's point of view really is. Editing that
should not distort what the company is trying to say. If the company's
statements differ from what it actually does that needs to be expressed
too, but this is in addition to rather than instead of the company's
propaganda.
We don't really have problem with informed people fact-checking and providing
citations. As I think would be common ground, it rarely stops there. If people battle over
prominence of criticism, over reliability of sources, over balance of material appropriate
to NPOV, then one gets the everyday debates. And, as WP:COI says, proper Wikipedians edit
from both sides. Hired flacks may well not.
The contrast that you make between the band manager
and the climate
change crusader is interesting. There is a lot of controversy about
climate change, but you seem to support a lighter application of the
rules in this case than with the band manager in an article that is of
more limited importance. In the absence of further information why not
let the band manager's comments stand if they are not of a controversial
nature?
I think we do. But this doesn't remove the conflict, as such. For a band, the absence
of fans who would add verifiable material is a prima facie argument that the band is not
too notable. For academic areas, there is no such argument. Conflicts of interest are
defined in terms of interests cutting across WP's interests. Academia's model is
broadly in line with WP's: make information public. Academics hit conflict of interest
mainly if they try to skew the relative importance of their sub-area relative to other
areas.
The advice of other editors is to be considered, but a
claim that
someone is in a conflict of interest is often a personal attack. It can
too often be used as a bullying tactic to make the opposing POV dominant.
The new WP:COI advises specifically against introducing COI as an adversarial tactic in
POV disputes. Again, some acknowledgement from Geoffrey Kohs that this improves the
guideline would be welcome.
Charles
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